OK, I'll try .You pushing my English skills to the limit, but I will take it as a challenge .

whisper marketing

Involved 3 millions of people potentially on the direct target from the marketing point of view. Android did it and it worked out. Now Black Berry is going to do the same. Ask every single flash dev about is he aware about mobile platforms he can deliver some stuff?. I can't find any better reason or more convincing way. I know, for most of anti flash guys, flash is nothing but adds, however it's only showing me ignorance. Same ignorance as Nokia showed me off. But they might have commercial reasons behind this strategy.

You have no any other but ranting against plug-ins used as commonly as web browsers. As open source lover I understand your point of view trying to defend purity of the web standards to keep the web open. But trying to stay in balance with commercial reality of the current internet world, is not a point to keep trying to convince you that you, by using flash plug-in you still can stay open source and use open source solutions to deliver some projects on the market for free. If you don't know that, you are just not up-to-date.

If you would like to know my opinion about plug-ins and opening the source of the flash player I can refer you to this topic

Going back to the subject. Understanding the question even if is not being written in your native tongue is crucial.

Question:
My personal opinion as the answer:
whisper marketing

Now let's find the supportive audience (flash community) and something to give customer over the opponent (which is iOS in this case) that don't have.


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Result?

Day to day conversation on the street with random dude:

MAC funboy:
I've got new shiny iPhone 4.. look how cool is the screen res and smooth transitions!

ANDROID funboy: blehh, but you still don't have proper multitasking!

MAC funboy: you kidding me.. look I can play audio on one app video on the second and play a game in this same time!

ANDROID funboy (quickly navigate using his back button to hide the weakness of having true multitasking OS): Ok, but it's not proper multitasking it just audio and video playback exception. Here It's a real one.

MAC funboy: sorry dude but who really is using 3 apps in this same time! Especially if this is killing your battery life!

ANDROID funboy: hmm... you know we can replace the battery. You can't :P

MAC funboy: ;/

ANDROID funboyk, cool. But what about Flash?

MAC funboy: Ok man I have to go so... btw, I prefer html5 :P (this is what Steve gave him as a weapon just for situations like that)

Maemo with its grate potential is not even taking a part in this game. As long as it could give you the options. Even if this is the bloody plug-in you personally hate. I miss the plug-in for conversation to be able to stay in touch with my friends abroad for example. Is no longer working in PR 1.3.

How rude would be life without extensions to make your software more personalized. Is not actually the genesis of where the app idea come from? Somebody realized if something is for everything it's over bloated peace of crap. Web browser using HTML5 itself will not give you what 3th party plug-ins can offer. But you have this freedom of choice. No like Android OS or Google desktop trying to force you to use ONLY one solution.. Chrome web browser. Seriously there is more danger and flash plug-in is on the very last place.

You may be right, I think the language barrier might be an issue for me here--but if I'm understanding you right, you're making the case that Maemo somehow has an advantage over both Android and iOS because it has.. Flash? I would like to point out that the Flash on Maemo is outdated, insecure and not utilized to any reasonable extent by anybody except advertisers to spam your attention.

To whit, I must also bring to your attention that HTML purity has little to do with the idea that web pages composed of nothing but Flash content isn't really a web page. It had FAR more to do with the idea that a web browser has little or no involvement in rendering the display and any architecture lacking Flash, or falling too far behind in Flash, will fail to see anything while even an improperly constructed (barely HTML) web page can still render for decades on pretty much any web enabled browser. Flash is pure closed-source fail on many levels--but Maemo has very little to brag about even if it weren't fail. Hence, Maemo isn't as popular as Android.

hmm... is anybody here able to understand my point (in broken English) and explain to danramos?

All I am saying is the answer to the main question.

Why maemo is not as popular as Android?

My personal opinion as the answer:
whisper marketing

And after, I gave you generic example how Android lovers are happy with flash and Air as the MAIN advantage over the iOS.

But again, conclusion is that Maemo missed out that opportunity because outdated flash player. Of course is not the only factor. But still important because 3mln of people were waiting to follow some platform.

Have you seen latest Adobe MAX sneak-peak. There was no conference without using words Flash, Mobile, devices, future

This is not discussion what is flash, is it good or not. What supposed to be used instead, what is the plug-in etc. I really trying stick to the subject.

My impression is you are reading to many topics on this forum around Flash and continuously trying to find something against this technology.

If you want to discus about this I am sure there is more suitable thread to do so.

Obviously you did not understand the question.

It was about the popularity of the OS, not the device.

The answer was that the N900 was likely less appealing than the plethora of Android options (I'd throw in tablets with the phones nowadays).

So your comment was completely inadequate.

Do you mean word-of-mouth advertising? You DO understand that it CAN work--but only when you have a compelling device that people can convince others with. Nokia hasn't done ANYTHING right with regard to that--they pretty much communicate terribly, offer the worst warranties and customer support that local laws will allow, and do nothing as far as I can tell to provide something better than their competition--in fact providing far worse experiences than competing devices on the market. The only thing they seem to have going is that they sell far more cheaper devices around the world. Well, at least they do SOMETHING right. Certainly nothing worthy word-of-mouth advertising, if that's what you meant.

Hey! Word of Mouth Marketing is working here! I once read a post where some guy got free beer for just having a N900. Tell me if Android gets you that???

Heh.. actually, my Androids have easily gotten me plenty of free. On that level, I HAVE gotten free drinks because I showed people neat stuff on my Droid. On another level, I got a FREE excellent mapping program, FREE email hosting service that doesn't suck, etc. On yet another level, I've gotten PAID for doing work with my Droid (not yet with my Tab.. but we'll see). Tell me if your N900 got you all of that?

Sorry but I found out about N900 off a flyer I got in a phone store while on vacation to the mountains. They put some money in marketing, maybe not enough but they got my attention not from gsmarena or other online resource, but from a printed ad.

I believe Maemo is not as popular because N900 is the single device and is quite expensive, as many said before me.

But yet again, there is the developer that a platform / phone OS needs to attract in order for it to become interesting for the end user. Exactly what Apple does for iPhone if you are about to argue that iPhone is also the single device running iOS.

Maemo benefits from hundreds of cool free applications that unfortunately are built on a tight budget: the free time of passionate developers.
And in most cases this translates into both lack of user interface and experience and in support/updates too.

As an N900 owner I was truly disappointed to read that nokia discontinues Maemo. It built distrust, even if later I found out that MeeGo might support N900. It also sounded as an awfully wrong strategy that Nokia had.

Google is yesterday's idea growing big now. Meego is today's idea growing big tomorrow. Maemo was a little fart, but a nice one. That is all you need to know.

Oh yes, Symbian will be the most popular also in 2011

Jolicloud is superb. Incredible. Just upgraded to 1.1 it took ages, but that OS really got something going. The best OS for netbooks by far, and I have tried them all.

You actually pulled out RealPlayer? Props for the nerve to do that.

But both RealPlayer (is that still around!? I've not installed it since G2 way back in my early, pre-SP1 Win2k days) and Flash are web based technologies (initially) and since I can setValue() via SWFAddress, I can alter the browser's URL as well - but I cannot do that unless I am embedded in a HTML/PHP page.

Thus, the Flash content, a web browser plugin based content is a web page. Your argument, while incredibly valid... you'd be saying that YouTube isn't a webpage either because it has embedded media that's normally played only via a browser plugin.

Flash is more than just ads. Video, navigation, pulling out data into datagrids via queries directly to the database (Flex), Adobe AIR (integrated runtime), Flash is more than just web too.

And once Adobe integrates Flash to HTML5... then Flash will output web pages too.

And be careful. By your description of "sitting on" the webpage, the pages are indeed the buckets that we fill with our content. Some require plugins, some require special DOM interpreters (javascript for instance) and then are those considered on the page or in? That's a very slippery slope.

I just go with the whole "Can I get to it via http://somedamnaddress.com?" and if it's yes, then the content is all the web page to me.

Overly simplistic? Hell yeah. But it keeps me from overthinking things.