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2011-02-06 , 08:56
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I don't think they will show a MeeGo phone on the 11th. They will wait until MWC to do that. All this ecosystem talk is about adding value to the devices so I think maybe Microsoft Office type software agreements for Symbian/MeeGo or even Silverlight app/games support on Symbian/MeeGo. Maybe then bringing Qt to WP7 but nothing about Nokia releasing any WP7 phones.

Microsoft and Nokia already have a lot of cooperation going on. Bing maps is powered by Nokia's Naveq for instance.
We really have no idea what exactly is going to be announced. Nokia is only stalling. Normally when someone announce and announcement, it is something substantial, something real. Nokia use it the other way, they stir things up knowing that it will create all kind of rumors because the whole industry is waiting for Nokia to act. Then when time comes, they will simply say (like they have said on a number of occasions), "what we really meant was..." or "this (insignificant and irrelevant feature compared with the expectation they have created) is great because - **** , and we will make an announcement later concerning details.

Another thing is why don't Nokia make it 100% clear that hey have no intentions of using WP7? There is only one reason for this, they do not want to cut off that option. No matter how unlikely using WP7 is, they still want to keep that possibility open. This is not good.
 
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2011-02-06 , 09:01
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Perhaps it should read looking for ''ex WP7 or Android Software experts''?

You do now have to seriously fear what Friday's annoucement will bring? A new US based board supporting WP7 or Android plus the dumping or scaling back of meego support?

I would of thought if it actually exsists a Nokia meego device would of been ''leaked'' by now by some blogger?
 
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Yep.

One can only wonder what the effect of such uncertainties to 3rd party developers on MeeGo/Symbian.

I'm not talking about one man shop coding for fun, but real companies that have to make real investment to do their MeeGo/Symbian projects. Obviously the companies already tapped as MeeGo launch partners have been 'informed' about Nokia's commitments to MeeGo to bolster their confidence.... but, eh, will you take Nokia's word at face value at this point?

If there's a shake up, it will come from the highest levels of the company. Who has reliable access to informations from that level?
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Yet another "latest rumor": Elop will announce on MWC that Nokia is about to fire all its stock holders and hire new ones. "Stockholders are mean", said Elop, "They go and demand stuff and we're like 'no way' and they're like 'yes way' and then we're like 'noooo way' and then they're like 'give us OSs and stuff' and we're like 'take teh symbians!' and they're like 'not good enough, you'll all lose your jobs'... shareholders are just MEAN".

I swear thats what he said.
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I don't see Nokia abandoning Symbian just yet - it's way too entrenched and can still adequately serve low to middle tier phones.

MeeGo on the other hand, is an unknown factor and the OS is sitting in no-man's land at the moment, with no headline devices to speak of. Elop is executing on a clear and ruthless strategy where (it appears) all roads lead to Microsoft.

I suspect Nokia will drop MeeGo.
 
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I hope Nokia tells it will port Dalvik to Meego, so future Nokia device owners can install and use also Android applications as well Qt-applications.
Why would anyone then settle to have Android-phone, when (s)he could have both worlds at the same time (and without rebooting as with N900 NITroid/Maemo)?

Wouldn't hurt if Microsoft would start to make applications to Meego also, but that is something which would surprise me a lot.

The worst scenario is if Nokia drops MeeGo and takes Windows7 to mobile phones. Windows7 hasn't succeeded even now, so hardly having "nokia" printed on the device would help the matter.
 
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I hope Nokia tells it will port Dalvik to Meego, so future Nokia device owners can install and use also Android applications as well Qt-applications. Why would anyone then settle to have Android-phone, when (s)he could have both worlds at the same time (and without rebooting as with N900 NITroid/Maemo)?
It didn't work for IBM with OS/2, and it wouldn't work for Nokia. Hell, it finally killed IBM in the x86 OS space. Android has the existing momentum, ecosystem, developer base and number of apps. If Nokia offered hybrid Android/Qt phones, no-one would develop for Qt. Why do that when you target so many more devices, including all the high-end Nokias, with a single platform?
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Originally Posted by zimon View Post
I hope Nokia tells it will port Dalvik to Meego, so future Nokia device owners can install and use also Android applications as well Qt-applications.
Why would anyone then settle to have Android-phone, when (s)he could have both worlds at the same time (and without rebooting as with N900 NITroid/Maemo)?
Unless the experience is inferior or somehow limited, google (and allies) will not let it happen.

The worst scenario is if Nokia drops MeeGo and takes Windows7 to mobile phones. Windows7 hasn't succeeded even now, so hardly having "nokia" printed on the device would help the matter.
I think for a VAST majority of Nokia customers, it's the brand that matters. They buy NOKIAs. They don't look for 'Symbian' handsets, and most of them have probably not heard of Symbian before.

So if Nokia takes up MS' offer (and I'm sure there IS one on the table right now), they can just sell them as Nokia smartphones (Now powered by WP7!) and the Nokia sheeps (yeah) will buy it.
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Why would anyone then settle to have Android-phone, when (s)he could have both worlds at the same time (and without rebooting as with N900 NITroid/Maemo)?
In that future, why would companies bother making a native Qt version of their apps when the Android versions mostly work on MeeGo? And if they don't work, well, that's Nokia's problem, isn't it?

The worst scenario is if Nokia drops MeeGo and takes Windows7 to mobile phones.
There's certainly widespread suspicion that Elop, as an ex-Microsoftie, will bring in Windows Phone 7. Once you've sipped that Microsoft Kool Aid, it's forever in your blood, the thinking seems to go.

Perhaps being a Microsoft exec does forever change a person, but if so, does it enslave the individual to Microsoft's products or to its culture? Microsoft isn't known for throwing their own struggling products aside to jump on the opportunity to ride competitors' coattails. To do that would leave them vulnerable to the whims of others. Instead, they use their size to let them ride out failure while they rebuild their product into something that lets them control the market top to bottom.

Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Unless the experience is inferior or somehow limited, google (and allies) will not let it happen.



I think for a VAST majority of Nokia customers, it's the brand that matters. They buy NOKIAs. They don't look for 'Symbian' handsets, and most of them have probably not heard of Symbian before.

So if Nokia takes up MS' offer (and I'm sure there IS one on the table right now), they can just sell them as Nokia smartphones (Now powered by WP7!) and the Nokia sheeps (yeah) will buy it.
Exchange 'Apple' for 'NOKIA' and 'iOS' for 'Symbian', and your comment still works.
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