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patlak is offline patlak
2011-02-12 , 18:21
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#271
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
Elop did the right thing. Nokia was losing market share everywhere. After multiple Nokia phones, I have to say that Symbian was recently not on par with other OSs and will never be. Have you tried N8? Laughable OS. I think this is the only move he could have done given the circumstances. I hope this gives more impetus for Meego team to show they can compete. Internal competition is good. Its on the Meego team to show that Meego can differentiate itself competitively from the rest. You snooze, you lose. Simple as that.

It is interesting that USA is now the dominant OS force.
How is Symbian laughable, please mind sharing your thoughts with us? Is it because Symbian doesn't need zi 1ghz prozezorz to operate? IMO, Symbian is much better than Android, it just needs better marketing to keep up. N97 gave it bad rep with it's slow components for the asking price. Check out how speedy they are now.
 

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2011-02-12 , 18:24
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#272
This NYTimes piece reveals the core problem in Nokia.. They still didn't "get it" after iphone and android ate their lunch... That culture was truly broken and ingrained in the company and would never change...

They still don't understand that usability is a huge selling factor for mass market. Its not just removing a few annoying dialog boxes for the n8 (how much of the BILLION dollar r&d buget did it take this??). Usability and consistency from the O/S to every built in app..

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...q=nokia&st=cse

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“The engineers at Nokia brag about the number of megapixels a new phone has,” he said in a telephone interview on Thursday. “But they don’t understand that if you can’t find the button to use the camera on the phone, it doesn’t matter how many megapixels it is.”

An executive who currently works at Nokia and asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak about the company agreed.".....
 

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2011-02-12 , 18:29
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Its not the speed. the UI is WAY behind droid and apple. it would freeze, not respond, there is no good global search function, my emails would come in different and laughable fonts..........its simply crap
 
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2011-02-12 , 18:30
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#274
Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
This NYTimes piece reveals the core problem in Nokia.. They still didn't "get it" after iphone and android ate their lunch... That culture was truly broken and ingrained in the company and would never change...

They still don't understand that usability is a huge selling factor for mass market. Its not just removing a few annoying dialog boxes for the n8 (how much of the BILLION dollar r&d buget did it take this??). Usability and consistency from the O/S to every built in app..

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...q=nokia&st=cse

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“The engineers at Nokia brag about the number of megapixels a new phone has,” he said in a telephone interview on Thursday. “But they don’t understand that if you can’t find the button to use the camera on the phone, it doesn’t matter how many megapixels it is.”

An executive who currently works at Nokia and asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak about the company agreed.".....
Imo that's more of post trying to get clicks than anything.
Nokia was working with AVKON, something that was not meant for TS and had huge limits as far as user experience goes. They acquired Trolltech in January 2008 when most Nokia buyers where still happy and sales where great.

The problem is simply that Nokia had taken absolutely huge task with developing the tools to Qt while making it all work for Symbian and MeeGo. It was just too much and took them way too long.
 

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2011-02-12 , 18:30
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#275
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
Elop did the right thing.
I disrespectfully disagree.
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2011-02-12 , 18:37
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
I disrespectfully disagree.
He had to deal with reality. Symbian served its time. I am sure that earning sheets were burning with threats from every side.

Under the circumstances he did the right thing. I would like to see him use cash to differentiate NOKIA thru Meego or other future platforms.
 
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2011-02-12 , 18:39
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
... not that this is in any way related to the point I was trying to make, but:

If Flop is payed for being the mouthpiece, he has to live with being the scapegoat. It's the same role anyway.

And him 'only being the mouthpiece' doesn't mean the decision he announced on 2/11 magically becomes right.
I know I wasn't really responding to your post, yours was just the last one in the line with anger directed at Elop.

You are right it doesn't magically make it right. Anymore than Elop got himself hired and magically brainwashed Nokia management, and made this announcement as part of some microsoft plan.

My point it that he shouldn't be the scapegoat. He didn't make a decision in a vacuum and spring it on everyone (Nokia included) at the same time. If he did, he'll be gone on Monday. The point is that if you want to be upset and angry, you owe it to yourself to direct your anger at the right people, not some scapegoat because it's convenient.
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Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
This NYTimes piece reveals the core problem in Nokia.. They still didn't "get it" after iphone and android ate their lunch... That culture was truly broken and ingrained in the company and would never change...
Linking to an American publication about a Finnish company that's recently forged a strategic relationship with an American company is going to be dismissed since Americans know nothing about European companies and their cultures.

And honestly... WP7 isn't a fix. Killing MeeGo isn't a fix.
 

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2011-02-12 , 18:44
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
Its not the speed. the UI is WAY behind droid and apple. it would freeze, not respond, there is no good global search function, my emails would come in different and laughable fonts..........its simply crap
UI, UI, UI,... If a phone can't do what I want it to do, what good is a shiny UI? and this is exactly what seems to happen: some phones have simple, easy UIs because there's no functionality it needs to expose to you. - If you don't need this functionality, then go for a model that costs money not because of what it can do, but how it looks.

I own the C7-00 - same OS as the N8-00, but lacks all the hardware goodies. The global search function sits right in the middle of your standard home screen when you first boot the phone after you unboxed it. It searches everywhere - documents, media metadata, mail, contacts, calendar, even map data...

I never experienced the UI freezing. Maybe you had one of the models with the hardware defect Nokia had to admit after shipping the first devices.

as for "my emails would come in different and laughable fonts" - well, that's what they call HTML email. the fonts depend on which one the sender selected and how well it could be matched to an installed font. i really had to check now which fonts i see in my inbox - there's nothing special about them. what would you expect?
 

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2011-02-12 , 18:48
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Originally Posted by tissot View Post
Imo that's more of post trying to get clicks than anything.

The problem is simply that Nokia had taken absolutely huge task with developing the tools to Qt while making it all work for Symbian and MeeGo. It was just too much and took them way too long.
One of the most respected papers in the world quoting inside sources and you think its a BS article just to get "clicks"... the fanboyism is INSANE here!!

So Nokia had 3 years to deliver, they spend 300 Million euros a year with a headcount of 1,800 on QT and Meego. (for reference Google had 2000 employees in 2004 just before IPO)

3 years, almost 1 Billion EUROS and a so many employees.. the problem clearly was not time (how many versions of Android, iOS, PalmOS were released during this time??)

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/f...Dbreakdown.jpg

http://blog.gaborcselle.com/2006/02/...ounts-for.html
 

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