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2011-02-18
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#1472
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Originally Posted by richwhite
Maybe Because Microsoft payed Billions in cash to Nokia?
Rubbish. He may not have been a Trojan Horse to MS, but that doesn't mean he never had any intentions of selling the company, or shelling the company at least.
Why would a non-Trojan Horse put all its eggs into the one basket of a small OS that has made no impact, from a company that has always failed in this market?
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2011-02-18
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#1473
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those nokia fukheads!!!. . .i use to watch those leaked n9 piks once a week!!!! how can they do this . . .meego ws suppose to rape android!!! hopefully someday the n9 will roar again!!!!
ps. . . as of today maemo is the best os on the planet as for android? well were running gingerbread on our n900 so up urs!
yup. . i no. . . im fukin pissed!!!
ps. . . as of today maemo is the best os on the planet as for android? well were running gingerbread on our n900 so up urs!
yup. . i no. . . im fukin pissed!!!
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Right. The 'trojan horse' term isn't helping proceedings at all, and we don't need any term to acknowledge that Elop has just chased the money. Whether that's being a TH to MS or just offering Nokia to the highest bidder is irrelevant, the end result (or initial goal) is hardly too different.
Maybe Because Microsoft payed Billions in cash to Nokia?
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by ysss
Not really. Hell, MS have essentially bought Nokia, hence the deal being because MS offered more money than Google. Elop wanted to side with whoever paid more, not whoever had better long-term chances.
Elop's moves have been approved and supported by Nokia's BOD, including Jorma Ollila.
To support the logic of him being a 'trojan horse', then you must also assume that the BOD have been bought off.
the BOD could have pushed for MS, they could have pushed for the highest bidder, they could have been persuaded before or after Elop wanted to do it. We don't know the inner workings and we don't need to: Elop got wined and dined by Google and MS and went with the highest bidder.
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by richwhite
That's an extreme oversimplication without knowing all the details
Not really. Hell, MS have essentially bought Nokia, hence the deal being because MS offered more money than Google. Elop wanted to side with whoever paid more, not whoever had better long-term chances.
the BOD could have pushed for MS, they could have pushed for the highest bidder, they could have been persuaded before or after Elop wanted to do it. We don't know the inner workings and we don't need to: Elop got wined and dined by Google and MS and went with the highest bidder.
I think the fact that MS is so desperate to jockey into a position from their current smartphone insignificance is enough to assume that their offer is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Google's.
For MS, this is pretty much do or die. A one in a million chance to buy into a captive marketshare for a booming business that they've missed out of.
And they get a pretty decent (equally desperate) partner to boot.
I should also point out that the money goes into Nokia Oyj's coffer (Although I'm sure Elop got some niceties; not that he needs any after all those golden parachutes).
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by ysss
Most of that wasn't PR, just off-hand remarks in interviews etc. Besides, I don't have to, I think it was obvious to anyone who preordered the last two devices at least that demand far exceeded production.
Do you always believe in what Nokia's PR says 100%?
5+ years to launch the 'internet tablet' with practically nothing to show (yet), while the competitors fasttracked barebone tablets and has been enjoying the market for most of 2010?
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by lma
That's a fair point. But we still haven't gotten any real numbers (beside the 100k in ... weeks) from Nokia. I have a feeling that they set a very very low bar for this curiously developer-targeted phone, yet commercially packaged-and-marketed.
Most of that wasn't PR, just off-hand remarks in interviews etc. Besides, I don't have to, I think it was obvious to anyone who preordered the last two devices at least that demand far exceeded production.
Oh yeah, no disagreement there. My point is that people loved the devices despite all that.
Not aligned with the broad spectrum of the market that's necessary to sustain Nokia.
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by ysss
You're right and i absolutely agree, but 'simplified' or not, how exactly is what i said much different from what you said? Or, different from the truth? That Elop, trojan horse or not, got his job in Nokia and almost immediately set about aligning with the highest bidder?
That's an extreme oversimplication without knowing all the details
I think the fact that MS is so desperate to jockey into a position from their current smartphone insignificance is enough to assume that their offer is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Google's.
For MS, this is pretty much do or die. A one in a million chance to buy into a captive marketshare for a booming business that they've missed out of.
And they get a pretty decent (equally desperate) partner to boot.
I should also point out that the money goes into Nokia Oyj's coffer (Although I'm sure Elop got some niceties; not that he needs any after all those golden parachutes).
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by richwhite
That Nokia was in a worse condition (strategically, financially.... practically) than we assumed.
You're right and i absolutely agree, but 'simplified' or not, how exactly is what i said much different from what you said? Or, different from the truth? That Elop, trojan horse or not, got his job in Nokia and almost immediately set about aligning with the highest bidder?
Otellini mentioned that as the reason Nokia exited MeeGo.
I'm not familiar with the Symbian side of things, but judging from their HUGE cutbacks (approved by the BOD and Jorma Ollila), which is no small issue at all since it relates to national matter/pride/economy... then there must be some issues there that they've decided they need to cut their losses out of.
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