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2011-03-22 , 16:00
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Hello everyone,

We are going to be holding a public meeting on Saturday, 26 March, at 1400 UTC. This meeting is intended to allow the community to meet and greet the new Council and take part in a discussion in which the old Council hands-over the reigns, etc.

Time:
http://www.worldtimeserver.com/conve...d=26&h=14&mn=0

Place:
irc.freenode.net/maemo-meeting

Agenda:
1. Introductions
2. What was done during last term
3. What was not done during last term
4. Past Council reflections/comments
5. New Council comments/questions

This meeting should take no longer than an hour.

Thank you... I hope to see a lot of the community there!

Tim

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We had a great meeting today. It was good to see some of the new Council and rehash some of the things that happened during the last term -- I am always surprised by how much we do when we have to list it all out like we did today! I was also happy to see several community members who just wanted to observe the meeting.

I'll be sending the meeting minutes to the Community Development mailing list a little later.

Thanks to everyone who attended!

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I'll be sending the meeting minutes to the Community Development mailing list a little later.
In the meantime, "raw" log is at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclo...03-26.log.html.
 

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Yes, it appears that The Adjustment Bureau kept me from posting yesterday... I'll get to it today.

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The meeting minutes are here:

http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/mae...ch/004740.html

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Hm, I'm a bit confused by this bit:

2. What was done during last term

* The legal ownership of maemo.org was handed over to the community,
with Nemein (Henri Bergius as main point of contact) managing it on our
behalf.
Whois clearly shows that the domain is still owned and managed by Nokia.

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Hm, I'm a bit confused by this bit:



Whois clearly shows that the domain is still owned and managed by Nokia.

Clarification welcome :-)
Hi,

There were some followup questions from members of the new council that should be in the meeting log.

Some partial clarification now at least from me - there is no written contract by which the community owns maemo.org. What we have been told is that Nokia transferred responsibility for the website to Nemein. This could mean, for example, that Nemein is legally responsible for content that appears on the site.

Theoretically, Nemein should be responsive to maemo.org, but there have apparently been some difficulties in this respect. Nokia pays Nemein directly, the money does not pass through maemo.org.

The new council has already started to consider the options available to us in this situation.
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To clarify even more:

1. the community owns the maemo.org content
2. The community via Neiman (web development contractors for Nokia) has root access to the maemo.org website
3. Neiman is contracted by Nokia to maintain and improve the maemo.org website.
4. Nokia still owns the domain and pays for web hosting, etc.
5. Through the community's ownership, we can suggest changes/alterations to Neiman and Neiman will, with authorization from the Community Council, make those changes/alterations

Hth,
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To clarify even more:

1. the community owns the maemo.org content
Right, the content, not maemo.org itself then.

This must refer to some subset of content like the website, wiki, talk, mailing list archives etc (most of which has been CC for ages, and its "ownership" vague at best). Presumably things like code & binaries stay (C) Nokia, right?

2. The community via Neiman (web development contractors for Nokia) has root access to the maemo.org website
3. Neiman is contracted by Nokia to maintain and improve the maemo.org website.
4. Nokia still owns the domain and pays for web hosting, etc.
5. Through the community's ownership, we can suggest changes/alterations to Neiman and Neiman will, with authorization from the Community Council, make those changes/alterations
I still don't get it :-( How does this differ from the situation 6 months or a year ago?

What does "the legal ownership of maemo.org was handed over to the community" mean at the end of the day?
 
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Exact quote from when it was being hashed out:

Nokia would like to hand over maemo.org completely to the community. In essence this means that the council will get the final word on all matters relating to maemo.org. Anything on maemo.org would be decided by the community. The reason for this change is simply to let the community have full control over maemo.org.

We had some cases in the past where issues which clearly were community matters had to be handled by me, due to Nokia being the legal owner of the maemo.org site. Now such matters can be handled by the community directly.
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