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2011-04-19 , 18:55
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
His name was deliberatly mispelt for a reason ! and the more i read what you have to say the more i doubt !.

The MeeGo code may well be out there but what is NOT out there is the N900 hardware code and untill it is, there is never going to be a match between the MeeGo build and the N900 and precisely the reason why there has never been a successfull build of anything software wise for the N900, and in fact the Maemo put together by Nokia was never finished and supported as we all know to any degree of satisfaction as you only need to look at the NOFIX's attatched to Maemo to know how badly it flopped.

Now you make the statement "MeeGo is a public and transparent project and all the code and everything is out there and any sane product manager would decide based on that public information that delaying is a good idea to stabilize one of the new focus'es, the tablet UX" .... what you failed to say was the N900 is NOT a tablet and is not included in the TABLET UX build for obvious reasons.

Now we see a shift away from the N900 that is clear if people read this properly !.

Your aggresion is coming across as frustration to any negative comments towards MeeGo and is clear to see in your posts.

I have yet to see anything positive towards getting the much needed hardware code to enable ANY OS to be put together for the N900 and the very reason i am throwing doubt over the MeeGo project as far as the N900 is concerned so i still say the same thing, MeeGo for the N900 will never be accomplished to a full and workable OS even as far as Maemo is currently AND the N900 fall's short in hardware spec !.

You had better watch out on your comments because you might well suffer the same embarresment as qwim did through no fault of his own i might add.

I am a realist not a dreamer ! and i say again ... i very very very want to be wrong here ok.
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2011-04-19 , 18:55
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#72
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
His name was deliberatly mispelt for a reason ! and the more i read what you have to say the more i doubt !.
... and that reason is?

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The MeeGo code may well be out there but what is NOT out there is the N900 hardware code and untill it is, there is never going to be a match between the MeeGo build and the N900 and precisely the reason why there has never been a successfull build of anything software wise for the N900, and in fact the Maemo put together by Nokia was never finished and supported as we all know to any degree of satisfaction as you only need to look at the NOFIX's attatched to Maemo to know how badly it flopped.
So you're saying that any incomplete product is a flop? Are you saying products should not be released unless there's nothing left to do in them? Are you serious?

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Now you make the statement "MeeGo is a public and transparent project and all the code and everything is out there and any sane product manager would decide based on that public information that delaying is a good idea to stabilize one of the new focus'es, the tablet UX" .... what you failed to say was the N900 is NOT a tablet and is not included in the TABLET UX build for obvious reasons.

Now we see a shift away from the N900 that is clear if people read this properly !
I'm sorry I don't understand what you're trying to prove here.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Your aggresion is coming across as frustration to any negative comments towards MeeGo and is clear to see in your posts.
I've so far shut up because I just don't have the patience to respond to your clearly trollish or ignorant posts. I'm sure Stskeeps has spoken out only because you've managed to hit a pain point too many times.
After reading all your incoherent ramblings of doom and gloom, I've come to be prejudiced against any of your opinions.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I have yet to see anything positive towards getting the much needed hardware code to enable ANY OS to be put together for the N900 and the very reason i am throwing doubt over the MeeGo project as far as the N900 is concerned so i still say the same thing, MeeGo for the N900 will never be accomplished to a full and workable OS even as far as Maemo is currently AND the N900 fall's short in hardware spec !.
The Meego project's primary aim was not to make sure that the n900 was made fully open. If you know it was, then "citation please".

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You had better watch out on your comments because you might well suffer the same embarresment as qwim did through no fault of his own i might add.
When (not if) the Meego DE project works on the n900, will you eat your words? Let me go further: Will you learn to tone down your rhetoric when much of what you've said starts being proven wrong? Will you suffer the same embarrassment you claim others faced and silence yourself?
Let me be a little speculative and say that you probably will never shut up and we'll not hear anything good from you.
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2011-04-19 , 19:04
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Can someone please start a petition to get abill_uk ousted from this place? He's the source of several good people leaving because of his ******** and I think I might be next.
Stick around stskeeps, for every abill_uk, there are at least 10 others who aren't abill_uk.
Just because I don't speak out often enough against trolls doesn't mean I don't care.
I prefer to ignore them or rationally take down their talking point like you did with your links. Eventually they're left blubbering plain rubbish and making fools of themselves.
I enjoy that, you should too.
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2011-04-19 , 21:40
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On a final note. When I was living in the UK whiny buggers like yourself were generally looked down upon or given a solid slap round the ear. Whats happened there?
That's odd. Whining is the national pastime. Hence the Australian insult "Whinging Pom", and the more subtle Kiwi response "Spoken like a true Pom". My memories of the UK were people whining about just about everything (including the weather), but doing nothing about it (in the case of the weather, not much you can do about that - except get used to fact that in the UK it is crap and it changes).
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2011-04-19 , 21:49
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I apologise for my negative comments. I do get a bit frustrated when hopes are raised, then squashed, if I express disbelief and get told I am ignorant and this will happen on such-and-such-a-date, and it doesn't. I am a skeptic, but would love to be proven wrong. Also, some of my comments are intended to be humerous, but I think sometimes they read as if they are serious. I do hope the MeeGo/Nokia folks do manage to get this together, and that we get the opportunity of using it on the n900. That would be quite exciting. But, until I see it for myself, I remain skeptical. Sorry.
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Seems like Elop or abill_uk should work together too ruin Meego/Symbian. They both seems to like trolling...
 

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Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
I apologise for my negative comments. I do get a bit frustrated when hopes are raised, then squashed, if I express disbelief and get told I am ignorant and this will happen on such-and-such-a-date, and it doesn't. I am a skeptic, but would love to be proven wrong. Also, some of my comments are intended to be humerous, but I think sometimes they read as if they are serious. I do hope the MeeGo/Nokia folks do manage to get this together, and that we get the opportunity of using it on the n900. That would be quite exciting. But, until I see it for myself, I remain skeptical. Sorry.
To be perfectly clear so I'm sure you and me are on same page:
* Defining platform: Something others can use to build a product using. It is not a end-user product.

* Defining MeeGo.com: A open project that has several members including Nokia, Intel, LG, ZTE, etc. They work together in the open to deliver a proper platform for them to base products off.

* The release schedules on wiki.meego.com relate to MeeGo the platform, so what is delayed is the platform. This was done as there had to be a significant change in plans after Feb11 and architectual changes due to changed requirements. As well as, well, that the project went sort of stagnant during the shock after Feb11

* MeeGo.com has next to nothing to do with the Harmattan OS, which is more like a Maemo6

* Nokia's next device will be Harmattan as stated several times.

* We have an effort ongoing that uses the Nokia N900 as a testing device for all MeeGo.com ARM activities. Since we have to test all sorts of middleware, our hardware adaptation is quite good and includes power management, camera support and many other good things. This is the 'hardware adaptation' team. This team rarely touches the UI

* We have an effort ongoing, the Developer Edition work (a open project and open source), which takes the work from MeeGo.com platform, puts it together with the Nokia N900 work and tries to bring it to a level where this condition is met: "Target is to make a Developer Edition of MeeGo for the Nokia N900 device. Flashed with this edition N900 will be usable as a primary phone device for a developer/hacker person. This is not for regular Maemo 5 end users.".

What you can do with this DE stuff is very powerful, but you need to do a lot of things yourself, contribute, help build the system, but because of the N900 hardware adaptation and platform work done, a lot of the -very difficult- parts that would normally make a community stumble are already solved.

My hope is that by summer, we have a OS that you can customize and hack to your hearts extent - this is of course not a end-user product. And even keep it in your pocket without the risk of not having children (we have power management!)

* This work has nothing to do with any Harmattan backport to N900 and I believe that particular backport project is dead as a stone as no SDK's or code has been published. Won't be coming, probably.

Hope that helps clear things up on what's going on. All this is happening in the open and you can follow it on meego.com wiki and IRC channels/mailing lists and you can even download development snapshots.
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To be perfectly clear so I'm sure you and me are on same page:
Let me check I have this right. The MeeGo for the n900 that is suitable for end-users is not going exist. The n900 is a stepping-stone for developers to work towards a device that will have MeeGo installed. Harmattan is dead. Maemo 5 is as far as things go for the n900 where end-users are concerned. There is no point taking an interest in MeeGo releases for the n900, as they are only relevant for development, and of no relevance to end-users of the n900. The release dates are not important, because they have no implications for n900 users - only developers and future devices. Thanks. What I don't get is that when I or other people say things like this, people get narky. We all know that MeeGo, Harmatton, etc. isn't going to happen for the n900, but we aren't allowed to say that. Let's just be open and honest about this. The Maemo 5 CSSU is the only development on the n900 that has any relevance for end-users.

Why is this thread still here? It should be under 'alternatives' - 'MeeGo', and a redirection to MeeGo.com. The Harmattan threads should be in their own section 'Maemo 6/Harmattan' - and if it is dead, placed under 'old'. Then it would be clearer to people that there is nothing on the horizon for the n900 beyond the Maemo 5 CSSU. That would probably help prevent some of the misunderstandings that arise around this topic.

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Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
Let me check I have this right. The MeeGo for the n900 that is suitable for end-users is not going exist. The n900 is a stepping-stone for developers to work towards a device that will have MeeGo installed. Harmattan is dead.
Except for the fact that Harmattan isn't dead (sadly?) and never would come for N900 anyway officially - was announced long ago. Would be a hacker edition and even that project is not going to happen.

Maemo 5 is as far as things go for the n900 where end-users are concerned. There is no point taking an interest in MeeGo releases for the n900, as they are only relevant for development, and of no relevance to end-users of the n900.
Well, depends on where you put the line really - I am personally getting close to a time where I might actually consider to use MeeGo on N900 as my daily phone. So it depends on how hackerish you are. If you are OK with dual-booting into Android at times and perhaps want something more you can hack to your heart's extent, that is DE. DE should be an interesting experience for those inclined towards that.

The release dates are not important, because they have no implications for n900 users - only developers and future devices. Thanks. What I don't get is that when I or other people say things like this, people get narky. We all know that MeeGo, Harmatton, etc. isn't going to happen for the n900, but we aren't allowed to say that. Let's just be open and honest about this. The Maemo 5 CSSU is the only development on the n900 that has any relevance for end-users.
Probably because all the information is already out there and it's the same misunderstandings over and over again, repeated by stupid news sites/misinformation sites that repeat the same ******** that isn't true

A typical end-user would not do anything beyond the preinstalled system and updates. CSSU is even a stretch beyond the typical end-user. And MeeGo on N900 is a even further stretch beyond that, for the adventureous.

Why is this thread still here? It should be under 'alternatives' - 'MeeGo', and a redirection to MeeGo.com. The Harmattan threads should be in their own section 'Maemo 6/Harmattan' - and if it is dead, placed under 'old'. Then it would be clearer to people that there is nothing on the horizon for the n900 beyond the Maemo 5 CSSU. That would probably help prevent some of the misunderstandings that arise around this topic.

Thanks.
That's actually the point of this forum, but there was more MeeGo.com information than Harmattan to discuss..
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@mishmich, he said Harmatten on N900 is a dead project, not Harmatten. I think it was stated that the rumoured N950 device will be Harmatten (not MeeGo).

Also, wrt to a MeeGo N900 release ready for end users, well that depends a lot on the end users. Some things are extremely unlikely to come (No Flash). But if that doesn't bother you, then helping to make DE the best it can be by giving your own insight and reports from your own use cases, would be very valuable. DE is a very good step toward getting a N900 MeeGo based distribution end user ready. At least almost as ready as Maemo currently is for you on the N900. I'm sure there will always be things missing, but the benifits are 10 fold.
 
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