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	The_Solutor	2009-10-24 , 17:44
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Originally Posted by javispedro

"Fresh start"? No way. The "fresh start" came with Maemo 1 maybe.

I can't agree. Maemo 5 is more than an evoluton of the prevoious releases. New UI, new phone section and related APIs, limited compatibility with the past and a new directory/partition layout.

So I'm still thinking that the /opt dir is a "patchy" way to obtain the desired result.

Just to ask, what about N1000 (or whatever is called) and maemo 6, whith maybe 2GB of embedded RAM ? We are going to use the /opt for compatibility with the past or we are going to scramble the FS again ?

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	daperl	2009-10-24 , 17:55
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Originally Posted by javispedro

What issue?
The problem is that up so far I guess nobody has felt the useless urge to repartition the layout, since there's a lot of space.

At most, they have symlinked some key folders from the rootfs to the 2 GiB partition.

The full armel chroot lenny issue, including man pages. Or maybe combine that with an offline Wikipedia. It's an issue.

EDIT: Okay, not really an issue, but... I want to play...

I, and I'm guessing others, will be doing what we've done before: Clone(s) with a boot menu. If Nokia tries to make that difficult for us I have at least one solution around it. Otherwise, the device might have a twelve story accident. But I'd hate to have to use my renter's insurance.

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	qwerty12	2009-10-24 , 18:07
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Originally Posted by daperl

I don't know how I missed that. Somehow I stopped reading after your previous post in that thread. Strange.

/sbin/preinit can't be redistributed. No problem, I'll just steal it from one of my OpenWRT boxes.

Well, let's get sure. Maybe you'd be willing to share the output of the following commands:

df
cat proc mounts
hal-device

And any thing else you can think of.

Pretty please. Pretty please with v*****s on top.

http://qwerty12.qole.org/dump

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	daperl	2009-10-24 , 18:12
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Originally Posted by qwerty12

http://qwerty12.qole.org/dump

You sir, are a sir. Sir qwerty12. The queen will be by shortly.

Did you flush?

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	javispedro	2009-10-24 , 18:32
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Originally Posted by The_Solutor

I can't agree. Maemo 5 is more than an evoluton of the prevoious releases. New UI, new phone section and related APIs, limited compatibility with the past and a new directory/partition layout.

New UI widgets, new phone functionality (so what?), and enough compatibility so that most apps work by changing this and that widget, and even some of them work without recompiling. Evolution, yes; but hardly a "fresh start".

The /opt stuff is a hack. And it was decided late in the game.
But it has been discussed ad infinitum. Every alternative here discussed was already discussed both in the mailing lists and in the BOF session (including, but not limited to, aufs). And still, /opt was deemed to be the best solution at this stage.

And about the next device, we don't even know if it's still going to ship with a OneNAND, so it's early to discuss here. Hopefully though, Nokia will present us with a proper plan instead of "Don't worry about it" when the first community alarm bells ring (and they did ring! when the first Eldar comments about the 256MiB rootfs appeared).

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	The_Solutor	2009-10-24 , 18:54
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Originally Posted by javispedro

New UI widgets, new phone functionality (so what?), and enough compatibility so that most apps work by changing this and that widget, and even some of them work without recompiling. Evolution, yes; but hardly a "fresh start".

Ok, if not "fresh start", we can call it a big milestone ?

The /opt stuff is a hack. And it was decided late in the game.
But it has been discussed ad infinitum. Every alternative here discussed was already discussed both in the mailing lists and in the BOF session (including, but not limited to, aufs). And still, /opt was deemed to be the best solution at this stage.

After the experience with the 770 my interest in maemo was on hold due the lack of phone functionality of the tablets, so I haven't read all about the maemo evolution.

I'm still not so sure to have read the relevant parts of You are writing about, can you kindly point me to the relevant topics ?

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	volt	2009-10-24 , 19:21
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Originally Posted by archebyte

I noticed yesterday that the Application Manager complained of memory being full. that was followed by a lot of 'Operation Failed' messages.

'df' showed that the root partition was at 100%. So I quickly removed a bunch of applications and was able to bring it down 88%.

Originally Posted by Tomaszd

I have to confirm this, I also had the same exact problem yesterday. I have about 20 apps installed, paying close attention that they are optified. I had a "memory full, can't send/receive messeges, free up some space" messege popping up (...)

Originally Posted by hqh

I have a feeling that this is going to be one hell of a problem, unless this is the main cause for the current delay and they are seriously thinking further solutions. The optification of packages seems not to be enough?

Originally Posted by javispedro

In this thread we're seeing the exact same arguments that were already made weeks ago when the actual /opt discussion took place.

(...)

The end result is that:
- If you're a user, don't worry. You'll have enough space.

"My iPhone just exploded!"
"OMG, how many times do we have to go over this! It's already been stated it's not a problem!"

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attila77	2009-10-24 , 19:36
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If you keep using stuff from extras-devel your phone will be exploding anyway. And if extras get only nice, optified packages, then no explosion need to take place. RIght ?

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	volt	2009-10-24 , 19:39
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Originally Posted by attila77

If you keep using stuff from extras-devel your phone will be exploding anyway. And if extras get only nice, optified packages, then no explosion need to take place. RIght ?

Read the 2nd quote again.