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I just want to say that I am surprised by how many threads here are trashing the N900. I honestly do not think Nokia made it especially clear that this was a 'niche' phone or something of the like. If they would have communicated this clearly to consumers they would not have as many issues because not as many people would have bought it. It leads you to believe that Nokia is a hardware seller. I know some will say you could have done more research before you bought the phone but in reality people did. You had to scour the net to find the line "this is step 4 of 5." So maybe instead of the CEO being replaced, how about that marketing team????
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
From that perspective, I fully understand why did Anssi Vanjoki downplayed the N900 all he could. There is a big difference between holding back and the platform just not being there.
Originally Posted by gom4381
I think GeneralAntilles actually already answered this whole thing quite directly. I honestly think Nokia's upper echelons mistakenly believed that the N900 was still going to be fairly niche.
...I honestly do not think Nokia made it especially clear that this was a 'niche' phone or something of the like. If they would have communicated this clearly to consumers they would not have as many issues because not as many people would have bought it... So maybe instead of the CEO being replaced, how about that marketing team????
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I'm not sure who should be fired, but whoever keeps hobbling the Maemo / MeeGo team should be the first to go. Seriously.
Well, we know a bit. Enough to know that the 770 was a runaway success in their eyes (I've heard they expected about 5,000, but the number was about 50,000 when it was discontinued), I believe I've heard mention of the N800 being much the same and I've heard it from a large number of Nokians that the N900 completely blindsided them.
How much of this has to do with the clueless dinosaurs in the Symbian Old Guard, who can say, though.
How do you mis-project the sales figures for FOUR DEVICES IN A ROW?!
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2010-05-03
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You guys keep talking about the N900 like it is ready for the masses, and it isn't. The platform is not there yet. Again, it is not about holding back it just because.
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2010-05-03
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Nokia lost it's market leadership because of too much ignorance about what customers want! I owned two communicators, the 9210i and the 9300i. Beetwen the time of the releases, Symbian was like a charm and behaved like a real operating system. Unfortunately they dropped this business-class device and started the entertainment series. Such a shame, flooding the market with numerous devices makes them really unrecognizeable (Which model do you use? wtf, I don't care it's a phone!). It was easy like an inside job for Apple to take over. I bought the N900, because i thought that Linux will bring back the experience of a real computer and not only a phone to Nokia. OK, i love the N900, but this PR1.2 Issue proves: The CEO really deserve to get fired!
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
Sorry if you got that impression from me. I'm complaining about the lack of resources being put into the Maemo program, which causes the "not-mass-market-ready" problems that you're seeing.
You guys keep talking about the N900 like it is ready for the masses, and it isn't. The platform is not there yet. Again, it is not about holding back it just because.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by qole
Now, that is something I fully agree with. And it is not like they can, right now, hire a whole bunch of developers to speed up the process (development doesn't work that way). They should have after the N810.
Sorry if you got that impression from me. I'm complaining about the lack of resources being put into the Maemo program, which causes the "not-mass-market-ready" problems that you're seeing.
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2010-05-03
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Nokia wastes resources in too many things, symbian, maemo, meego, and a huge list of iron pieces called cellular phones.
In the new millennium hardware is secondary to os, apps and market, and I wonder why that simple principe is so difficult to understand.
In a pub two nokia users speak about beer becouse their phones are too different, in the same pub an iphone user and an ipod user speaks about their gadgets (and I hope about beer too!) and about applications they are going to buy.
The ipod has the same os of the iphone, while we here are still speaking on n900 meego support, crying about the delay of pr 1.2, the laking of voice assistend navigation in maemo, and so on.
And finally, all that closed part of the OS, drivers and apps, the secrets about roadmap, betatesting and so on do not involves the FLOSS community in a proper manner, while profit developers prefers to invest their time in learning cocoa touch.
The only real innovation I see in the right direction is the borning of the unified Qt SDK and the improvement of the ovi store, that should attracts users and developers, but that will take time, in the mean while Nokia itself has to provide apps and os capability to not lose market shares, but I only see new iron piece coming out month after month.
In the new millennium hardware is secondary to os, apps and market, and I wonder why that simple principe is so difficult to understand.
In a pub two nokia users speak about beer becouse their phones are too different, in the same pub an iphone user and an ipod user speaks about their gadgets (and I hope about beer too!) and about applications they are going to buy.
The ipod has the same os of the iphone, while we here are still speaking on n900 meego support, crying about the delay of pr 1.2, the laking of voice assistend navigation in maemo, and so on.
And finally, all that closed part of the OS, drivers and apps, the secrets about roadmap, betatesting and so on do not involves the FLOSS community in a proper manner, while profit developers prefers to invest their time in learning cocoa touch.
The only real innovation I see in the right direction is the borning of the unified Qt SDK and the improvement of the ovi store, that should attracts users and developers, but that will take time, in the mean while Nokia itself has to provide apps and os capability to not lose market shares, but I only see new iron piece coming out month after month.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by qole
Well we are in complete agreement then.
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I think you take much more of a risk hiring people straight from school, because they're trained in all the buzzword technologies, but they have few or no demonstrated real skills yet. The real skills are the ones that always go in the second half of a job's qualifications, after they quote the things they think are important (what software / programming languages you know). You know, things like, "works well to a deadline with minimal supervision, quick learner, good problem solver..."
In defense of the buzzword hiring strategy its not (just) that they are stupid HR types. Buzzwords are relatively easy to check. Real skills are notoriously difficult.
But Im way off topic here.
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2010-05-03
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Hopefully the Intel/Meego stuff does not add 6th step for the plan, or soon we'll have one of those twelve step programs.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
The problem with that perspective is that if you *know* you have a product that is so sought after (exceeding expectations for several generations), why not dedicate more resources to it and, you know, ride the wave, instead of holding it back ? As long as Nokia has to be defensive about and hold back the very products that are supposed to turn the tide, Maemo/MeeGo will not fulfil it's true potential. I agree with Qole - the strategic choices were generally right, it's just that it seems that they are always somehow happening a year or two after they could have happened (looking at it from the outside and with 20/20 hindsight, obviously).
From that perspective, I fully understand why did Anssi Vanjoki downplayed the N900 all he could. There is a big difference between holding back and the platform just not being there.
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