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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by PMaff
Yeah, I thought they were a thing of the past after XP.SP2 - but I have seen this several times on my W7 laptop (not the PC though - that just ends up hanging and I have to do a hard reset to clear it).
Fact is, that it's not that rare to get BSODs with Windows 7.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by wmarone
I looked last week. And thatnk you for confirming what I have been saying. There is nothing that people can use. By people, I mean somebody that might want to use it other than a developer. I haven't tried it again, because everything I read is that it will render parts of my functionality non-functional. Fine, it may work as a tool/toy for developers to play about with. But as yet nothing has been produced that anybody can actually use in the way I can use the n900 or my netbook right now without it. So, why would anybody bother with it? And do you honestly believe that MeeGo will/could have provided an image that would simply work on any netbook, or the n900, in two months? C'mon. Be serious. What is there to show for this so far this year? Where are the hardware vendors queuing up to cut out their slice of the MeeGo action?
So because you say it can't, that's how it is. Come on man, when was the last time you LOOKED? Never mind that the reference UI is simply that, reference. An example of functionality and how to do certain things. The intention is for people to do what Smoku is doing, and give it a real interface.
No, if you go ask Stskeeps he can tell you what it is. It's a baseline, and everything from the GUI up can be replaced with whatever the handset vendor wants. I'm sure you'd rather just sit back and insult his (and others) efforts more.
Well, hopefully they've done more investigation into what something is supposed to do and spoken with someone knowledgeable on the subject, unlike what you seem to be doing.
When did you last try it? Never mind that the version released on MeeGo.com is not intended for end-user purposes. It'd be like complaining about Linaro and how it's useless, without ever looking into what it's for.
That is not insulting anybody's hard work.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Sure - fashions change. Nokia is looking less fashionable now than in 2007, it may be that it comes up with something amazing in the future. In order to do that, it needs to keep making money in the short term.
so you completely agree with me. I don't get why you are making it sound a lot more complicated...
in the future black suits are out and something else replaces it.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by rash.m2k
Based on what market research? I am sure Nokia have done theirs. Where do you get your information? Or is this what you think?
there willl be plenty of people wanting to buy these devices, and jumping ship back to Nokia.
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2011-02-20
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Had this thought today.
Symbian; Maemo; MeeGo.
The last two are quite distinguishable from each other in all aspects.
Symbian on the other hand was split into various guises/versions to suit the type of budget the phone was aimed at.
They had a version for the cheap ten-a-penny phones, a version for mid range and a version for smart-phones.
What about WP7? Is this thing "modular" so to speak, can features be removed or added or is it as it comes?
I can't imagine Nokia releasing phones for the lower end of the market with the same O/S as the smart-phones, because I can't see that hardware features are going to make that much of a difference to price point.
Just a thought
Symbian; Maemo; MeeGo.
The last two are quite distinguishable from each other in all aspects.
Symbian on the other hand was split into various guises/versions to suit the type of budget the phone was aimed at.
They had a version for the cheap ten-a-penny phones, a version for mid range and a version for smart-phones.
What about WP7? Is this thing "modular" so to speak, can features be removed or added or is it as it comes?
I can't imagine Nokia releasing phones for the lower end of the market with the same O/S as the smart-phones, because I can't see that hardware features are going to make that much of a difference to price point.
Just a thought
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by stickymick
This doesn't matter really. Don't look at the lower end devices. Moore's law eats up low end devices with time. Nokia will need 1-2 years to get first WP7 phones. Unitl then, then-cheap SoC will be able to run WP7. What is more an issue is the fact that WP7 doesn't scale as well upwards as Meego/Maemo did: Smartphones in 1-2 years will have functionalities from iPad and even more complex SW stacks on board (IPv6 etc.). This was no problem with Maemo's "deskop-linux" inside incl. X11, java, etc. With WP7, not even all mobile standards are implemented ...
Had this thought today.
What about WP7? Is this thing "modular" so to speak, can features be removed or added or is it as it comes?
I can't imagine Nokia releasing phones for the lower end of the market with the same O/S as the smart-phones, because I can't see that hardware features are going to make that much of a difference to price point.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by mishmich
are you suggesting that nokia hasn't been making money even when it has released crappy software and crappier support? nope, handset business with symbian has been profitable.
Sure - fashions change. Nokia is looking less fashionable now than in 2007, it may be that it comes up with something amazing in the future. In order to do that, it needs to keep making money in the short term.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by stickymick
WP7 is not suitable for low end devices, because the minimum hardware requirements are not cheap. WP7 is not either suitable for high end devices, because it does not support dual-core CPUs and not even multitask with single CPU.
What about WP7? Is this thing "modular" so to speak, can features be removed or added or is it as it comes?
I can't imagine Nokia releasing phones for the lower end of the market with the same O/S as the smart-phones, because I can't see that hardware features are going to make that much of a difference to price point.
WP7 is only suitable for devices, which are bought by people who doesn't know really why they want smart phone.
If Elop won't allow high end hardware to end up Nokia's first smart phone, or if he doesn't allow any Meego phone at all, it seems like Nokia won't have any flagship device until end of 2012 or something. Until that time, Nokia could be bankrupted. And if not, then anyway Google's ecosystem already is too big to tackle.
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2011-02-20
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Originally Posted by zimon
Hence the reason why it seems a bad idea to scrap lower end Symbian. IMO that was the bread and butter of their operations.
WP7 is not suitable for low end devices, because the minimum hardware requirements are not cheap. WP7 is not either suitable for high end devices, because it does not support dual-core CPUs and not even multitask with single CPU.
WP7 is only suitable for devices, which are bought by people who doesn't know really why they want smart phone.
If Elop won't allow high end hardware to end up Nokia's first smart phone, or if he doesn't allow any Meego phone at all, it seems like Nokia won't have any flagship device until end of 2012 or something. Until that time, Nokia could be bankrupted. And if not, then anyway Google's ecosystem already is too big to tackle.
Just as a computer manufacturer makes makes mice, joysticks, keyboards etc, so as to fund the big stuff. But I suppose Nokia have got M$ throwing billions at them for that purpose now.
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I'm not willing to wait for any WP phone, Nokia or otherwise. Only reason I'm buying one is that I had stated quite a few times that I doubted fully that Nokia would go that way. I was quite wrong.
So by stating that, I'll go purchase a Nokia WP7 phone when it comes out with no rush nor any anticipation of when it comes out - I'm a person of my word, even on foolish stuff like this.
I was willing to be somewhat patient for the MeeGo phone, thought I'd see at least a mockup by now - mockup machine, not OS, the progress is steady and documented.
I just can't say that I'm enthusiastic about a WP7 phone at all.