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2011-07-21
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#152
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Originally Posted by gerbick
The release of Harmattan has brought Nokia's maemo/MeeGo device strategy into sharp relief. Previously there was a possibility that Nokia might continue using maemo.org for it's community infrastructure. This is now definitely not the case.
Can I ask a potentially stupid question?
Why is all of this being decided in such a vague way so close to the release of Harmattan and was not discussed after the release (and downtrend) of Fremantle?
What was the prior contingency plan?
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2011-07-21
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#153
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Originally Posted by mrsellout
Do you know why they will not use this community no more?
The release of Harmattan has brought Nokia's maemo/MeeGo device strategy into sharp relief. Previously there was a possibility that Nokia might continue using maemo.org for it's community infrastructure. This is now definitely not the case.
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2011-07-22
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#154
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Yes, abill_uk, this is a good question. Seems like after investing in nurturing a community, to the point they paid for its meeting place and for people and machines assisting its thriving, they thought this very community might be unfit for the new marketing mission.
The devs, at least part of them, have been attracted towards FMC also through the deployment of the N950 DDP.
I think that [high or low power]-users and power-lusers like me, simple enthusiasts or evangelists, generic vanilla-type geeks have been kept back or counted as unproductive at all. All in all, the N9 is a much more mainstream device than the NITs or the N900, and given there are devs enough to make an app store flourish, it will sell by itself, without the need for a bunch of unproductive geeks chanting its merits.
So, bye bye TMO
you did the best you could do, but times they are a-changing
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The devs, at least part of them, have been attracted towards FMC also through the deployment of the N950 DDP.
I think that [high or low power]-users and power-lusers like me, simple enthusiasts or evangelists, generic vanilla-type geeks have been kept back or counted as unproductive at all. All in all, the N9 is a much more mainstream device than the NITs or the N900, and given there are devs enough to make an app store flourish, it will sell by itself, without the need for a bunch of unproductive geeks chanting its merits.
So, bye bye TMO
you did the best you could do, but times they are a-changing
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2011-07-22
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#155
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Originally Posted by ysss
Not to be anti-council or to introduce facts that no one wants to recognize, but the current council wasn't elected, but nominated by acclaim, right?
I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
Companies just don't engage into raw (and public) dialogues with as vague an entity as 'the community'. That's why we elect council members to represent us.
If you desire 'answers', I think it's time to pay attention to our own council members and open up dialogue with them (or go to where they have their discussions; irc, mailing list, etc).
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2011-07-22
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#156
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Originally Posted by debernardis
Yes i agree but you know i seen this coming long time back when i argued what the hell is a dev to do with a closed device just WHERE is the sense in giving a device to a community that was not 100% open is beyond my thinking and the very reason it was doomed before it got started.
Yes, abill_uk, this is a good question. Seems like after investing in nurturing a community, to the point they paid for its meeting place and for people and machines assisting its thriving, they thought this very community might be unfit for the new marketing mission.
The devs, at least part of them, have been attracted towards FMC also through the deployment of the N950 DDP.
I think that [high or low power]-users and power-lusers like me, simple enthusiasts or evangelists, generic vanilla-type geeks have been kept back or counted as unproductive at all. All in all, the N9 is a much more mainstream device than the NITs or the N900, and given there are devs enough to make an app store flourish, it will sell by itself, without the need for a bunch of unproductive geeks chanting its merits.
So, bye bye TMO
Nokia had complete control over the software development for the N900 and it knew it ! so what expectations could they realistically have from developers?.
I have seen some blunders in my time but i can not even hazard a guess as to why this blatant pisstaking took place from Nokia
.Yes i agree the N9 and as many have said on here, it should have been released long time ago but obviously the reason it was not released was because of the software side and the reason MeeGo was pushed, as hard as it could be, on this community to draw in the dev's, as successful as it was is the reason we have the N9 as advanced as it is with a MeeGo os.
Look to the top right corner of this screen and you will see what i mean
so many people are not only confused but when it all comes out in the wash they will feel somewhat used and abused by Nokia.For Maemo to be scrapped in favour of MeeGo after punishing them with closed components to work around, making the task a thousand times worse than it should have been to write software for further development of the os of the N900, is no wonder it has crashed flat on its face !.
You can not write anything to a closed component !.
Now i see why the dev's started to leave long time ago and some of the best have been here too i might add ! but if you look at my history you will see why i complained and argued with many people on here and why i started the poll to attempt to get feedback from everyone regarding the release of the much needed code from Nokia for the N900, THAT thread was closed by a well though out moderator's decision
.So yes i agree with you and say for sure we have all been hoodwinked by Nokia
.Hence why they have gone down the pan, they are paying for there mistakes and have this community to prove just how loyal there fans and dev's were and could have stayed if not for bad decision making on Nokia's part.
The BIG question is.... WHAT NOW for Maemo.org? and as Maemo is dead.................. or has Maemo.org also used everyone?.
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by geneven
I wouldn't say "acclaim" is the right word (in the most common meaning); maybe "selected because no-one else would get off their arse and volunteer [and thus give 6 or more candidates for 5 positions, meaning an election is required]".
Not to be anti-council or to introduce facts that no one wants to recognize, but the current council wasn't elected, but nominated by acclaim, right?
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
That kind of figures !.
I wouldn't say "acclaim" is the right word (in the most common meaning); maybe "selected because no-one else would get off their arse and volunteer [and thus give 6 or more candidates for 5 positions, meaning an election is required]".
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2011-07-22
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And another thing i would like to point out and is also a big question mark.....
The N900 code could not be released to this community for what everyone said was LEGAL reasons, so how come it was released to stskeeps for the development of MeeGo?.
Now we see MeeGo taking off as it has stolen all the dev's that were working on Maemo leaving Maemo dead as a doornail, why has this happened ask yourselves!.
I forgot to add.... IF Nokia had released all the needed Maemo code to this community for the N900 then Maemo.org would have been completely different with much success to show ! think about that ok.
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The N900 code could not be released to this community for what everyone said was LEGAL reasons, so how come it was released to stskeeps for the development of MeeGo?.
Now we see MeeGo taking off as it has stolen all the dev's that were working on Maemo leaving Maemo dead as a doornail, why has this happened ask yourselves!.
I forgot to add.... IF Nokia had released all the needed Maemo code to this community for the N900 then Maemo.org would have been completely different with much success to show ! think about that ok.
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2011-07-22
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Originally Posted by geneven
Who would want to be on a council of a dead end forum? sorry to say but true as everyone will find out soon no doubt.
Not to be anti-council or to introduce facts that no one wants to recognize, but the current council wasn't elected, but nominated by acclaim, right?
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