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WFT, I think the point was that if you had done a decent search and done some reading you could have found all your answers. You can't expect the people here to answer every question again for every new user that comes along, answering it once should be enough to provide a result in a search.

Coming here and whining about "unhelpful" answers isn't winning you any friends from the helpful people here. You have to take some responsibility to educate yourself via searching and reading, and not just rely on others to do your research for you.
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if you think "Hint: maemo extras-devel" is a helpful response to my original post then you and the general deserve each other....
 
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WTF's furstration is understandable: I recently bought the n810 after reading about the the n770 and n800 for more than a year on this forum (not daily though). Even with that the use and upgrade of the n810 is not at all straightforward, and if you are not a software nerd and know about repositories and libraries, you get easily lost.

In my opinion the Tablet as it is today is not yet ready for prime time in the market. I like it but I have to invest a lot of time to get it to work and there are perfomance issues (especially for Internet browsing) that I hope will be solved with the next OS.

People here are in general very helpful and cannot be blamed for the poor software development framework provided by Nokia.

Good luck WTF and hope you have some time to spend with the toy during your holidays (or nights as I often do). It is interesting as it opens another world and I am learning a lot from this.

However, not everyone can spent time and energy on this, and they too deserve a good service/support.

Antonio
 
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Thanks for the note. It turns out that it was incredibly easy to fix. I feel "dumb" now that I understand the process. The problem is when you dont understand that process many of the posts are unhelpful -- they are using short hand tech speak. Now that I understand things better, I will try to practice as I preach and help out people with straight forward, non "techie" replies.
 
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Originally Posted by noventa98 View Post
In my opinion the Tablet as it is today is not yet ready for prime time in the market. I like it but I have to invest a lot of time to get it to work and there are perfomance issues (especially for Internet browsing) that I hope will be solved with the next OS.
Nobody has said it was. It's step 3 of 5 for Nokia on their plan for a consumer-friendly device.

Originally Posted by problemloeser View Post
People here are in general very helpful and cannot be blamed for the poor software development framework provided by Nokia.
The development framework is fine. The problems lies in the fragmented nature of maemo application repositories. This will improve going forward as Nokia improves the Garage and more developers start using it.


For now, there's a wonderful website at http://gronmayer.com/it that will solve all of your application and dependency needs.

Originally Posted by problemloeser View Post
However, not everyone can spent time and energy on this, and they too deserve a good service/support.
If people can't be bothered to try and help themselves, then why should the helpful sorts around here be expected to stop and hold their hands everytime another one pops up? (Which is incredibly often these days)

Help on a community-driven forum like this is a two-way street. Those with the knowledge are more than willing to help out those without as long as they are willing to put forth a little bit of effort to solve their own problems themselves.

Nobody here is paid of the support they provide, and they only do it out of the goodness of their hearts, so an attitude of entitlement isn't a good way to get help from them.*

*This is a general statement and does not apply to anyone in particular.
 
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Originally Posted by noventa98 View Post
In my opinion the Tablet as it is today is not yet ready for prime time in the market. I like it but I have to invest a lot of time to get it to work and there are perfomance issues (especially for Internet browsing) that I hope will be solved with the next OS.
What time do you have to invest to make it work? There is nothing much to be done besides filling the setup screens, and you are set up to use it as announced, which it will do well, within the limits of a small battery powered device. Which means that we'll always have performance issues with some sites - FWIW half the recent wave of media overloaded sites are barely usable with my three-year-old desktop computer running Linux due to outrageously broken HTML, media overload or IE dependency, but as Myspace, Youtube etc. only consider owners of this years monster desktop machine a worthwhile customer, I am not interested in their offers, and prefer to waste my time on less hostile sites...

The whole bunch of hacker extensions we talk about that much here is not ready for prime time - and only a few of them will eventually convert to mainstream application. But the same goes for all free offers, on every OS and machine.
 
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i think the playback of the MPLAYER isnt as good as the media player that came with it. At least I can see the full UKMP in action...
 
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Originally Posted by WFT View Post
i think the playback of the MPLAYER isnt as good as the media player that came with it. At least I can see the full UKMP in action...
Which is part of the reason why mplayer is still in extras-devel. flv playback seems to have taken the biggest hit, but mplayer is still faster with DivX stuff.
 
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Originally Posted by noventa98 View Post
However, not everyone can spent time and energy on this, and they too deserve a good service/support.
Some people pick it up faster due to their background / experience. I have a computer background, but no Linux experience so I've had a lot of learning to do to get beyond the basics. I've learnt it all through my own browsing and from searching the posts in places like this. Yes, it is time-consuming if you have a lot to learn... that's life.

If the poster can't be bothered to spend the time and effort required for them to learn about the device that they *chose* for themselves, then why should I spend my (volunteer) time on them. I'll give the basics to get them going in the right direction (as the posters in this thread did), but I'm not going to hand-hold someone who claims to have done the research but clearly hasn't.

If they want support from someone that is *obliged* to hand-hold them, then they should phone Nokia, not come to a community forum.

And if that solution isn't good enough, they should just sell/return it. Because it is unreasonable to expect others to hand-hold them for free simply because they got themselves in over their head by making this purchase. If you can't handle what it takes to learn it, return it.
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Last edited by technut; 2007-12-19 at 21:39.
 
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#20
My small input. Other people come across the same questions. I've been stuggling with mPlayer, but didn't want to post a simple question (well, I know it'd be simple for you guys).

So I waited a while. So, thanks to the OP and GeneralAntilles.

Cheers ...
 
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