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	PinCushionQueen	2008-06-14 , 23:18
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Originally Posted by bunanson

You mind to just turn off the BT and leave the wifi on and see if there is ANY difference? Mine shows the BT stays on draws very little current. I do not know if the BT headphone or tether to cellphone etc being actively used continuously may make any difference. Just leave the BT on and doing some file txf on and off, does not seem to make a big impact on battery life. Wifi is the big battery killer.

bun

Sorry Bun, but I actually think that BT is a bigger killer than WiFi.

Providing you've got the power-saving settings done optimally for the WiFi. I'm actually impressed with Nokia's power-saving features for WiFi kept on but not actively in use...

However, if I use my BT keyboard and forget to turn off BT after I'm done, my battery continues to drain as quickly as if I was using the keyboard. I've ended up with 20% battery left for the bus ride home at the end of the day because of this

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bunanson	2008-06-14 , 23:28
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Originally Posted by PinCushionQueen

Sorry Bun, but I actually think that BT is a bigger killer than WiFi.

Providing you've got the power-saving settings done optimally for the WiFi. I'm actually impressed with Nokia's power-saving features for WiFi kept on but not actively in use...

However, if I use my BT keyboard and forget to turn off BT after I'm done, my battery continues to drain as quickly as if I was using the keyboard. I've ended up with 20% battery left for the bus ride home at the end of the day because of this

I guess if you actively using the BT, like a BT keyboard or BT headphone ie., the BT has to continuously check the status, I think they should drain battery. I guess my measurement on BT just leave it on may NOT be an accurate reflection of the power consumption. Here is my actual measurements, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...battery+tablet,
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If it is not mentioned, that means it is OFF, e.g. V+BT means only video and BlueTooth is on, all else are OFF, ie. audio/wifi are off.

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.......................N810..................N800. ...............770
Nokia menu........4.0......................3.5.......... .......3.0
To charge..........2.2......................2.2...... ............>8
V.....................5.8......................4.3 .................6.5
V+BT................5.6
V+w.................3.7
V+w+A..............3.4......................2.5
VV+w+A............3.1
VVV+w+A..........3.0
V+w...................-.......................4.1
V+2B..................-.......................6.1
V+4B..................-.......................7.3
mm+V+iGPS........8.1
mm+V+BT GPS.....-.......................7.5

Legend:
V.......... 1square of brightness
VV........ 2 sq of brightness
VVV...... 3 sq of brightness
A.......... 1 sq of audio
w............wifi
B............used alkaline batttery, not fresh
2700, 2000, 1800 are rechargeble NiMH of mAh capacity
mm.........maemo mapper 2.4.1-os2008, at leve 5, stand still, in a building
BT GPS....blue tooth GPS
iGPS........internal GPS
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caped	2008-06-15 , 00:25
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I think you mean "legend," not "legion."

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bunanson	2008-06-15 , 00:57
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Originally Posted by caped

I think you mean "legend," not "legion."

May I secretly confined to you and only you, please do not tell anybody, both words looked greek to me

. Thanks for the correction, though

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	tabletrat	2008-06-15 , 01:33
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Originally Posted by krisse

I'm sorry, but I COMPLETELY disagree with that!
You do NOT need to "geek out" at all!

I think you do if you want to use it is as much more than an internet browser

Originally Posted by Lee

The N810's built-in apps are perfectly usable by ordinary people without any computing experience. In fact the tablets are far more user friendly for internet tasks than something like Windows Vista or OS X.

The browser works just like the browser on a PC, and the same is true of all the other major "consumer" features like Skype etc.

Assuming that 'internet tasks' is browsing the web or using skype, if it is the same as the PC, how is it more user friendly?

Not saying I find it unfriendly, but it is certainly no easier than with my powerbook.

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	tabletrat	2008-06-15 , 01:35
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My battery life was awful until I turned the wifi to not automatically connecting and timing out after 10 minutes.
Now it lasts for ages.
GPS seems to kill the battery too.

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	krisse	2008-06-15 , 09:31
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Originally Posted by tabletrat

I think you do if you want to use it is as much more than an internet browser

But the tablets ARE only meant to be used for browsing the internet.

That's how they're advertised, as being for things like websites, blogs, e-mail etc.

That's why they're called "internet tablets", they're meant for using internet services. They're NOT meant to be laptops or PDAs or UMPCs.

Watch the official adverts and they don't even mention installing additional applications or anything that requires technical knowledge.

A lot of people on this forum use them for other stuff, but that other stuff isn't what the tablets were designed for, it's just Nokia left the door open for other stuff to see what happens. All of that other stuff is totally optional, you don't need to do it in order to use the tablet's main functions.

Assuming that 'internet tasks' is browsing the web or using skype, if it is the same as the PC, how is it more user friendly?

Sorry, I should clarify: same as in the particular application behaves the same way, rather than the entire system behaving the same way.

Not saying I find it unfriendly, but it is certainly no easier than with my powerbook.

If your PC is working fine then it can be as userfriendly, but when something goes wrong the tablet is usually easier to fix, and there's a lot less that can go wrong on a tablet.

I say this out of experience with the relative I recommended the tablet to that led to the founding of the Internet Tablet School site. He was always having troubles with settings and error messages on Windows and Macintosh, but on the tablets there weren't really any problems after the first set up.

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	PinCushionQueen	2008-06-15 , 13:45
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Originally Posted by bunanson

I guess if you actively using the BT, like a BT keyboard or BT headphone ie., the BT has to continuously check the status, I think they should drain battery. I guess my measurement on BT just leave it on may NOT be an accurate reflection of the power consumption. Here is my actual measurements, http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...battery+tablet,
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Thanks for the information Bun

I could be wrong I suppose - I haven't done an official test like you have. I was basing my statement on observation only. Or perhaps it is like you said and there is a big difference between ON and ON+In Use.

I do set my WiFi to "Never" auto-connect but leave the time out to 60 minutes

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bunanson	2008-06-15 , 13:57
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Originally Posted by PinCushionQueen

Thanks for the information Bun I could be wrong I suppose - I haven't done an official test like you have. I was basing my statement on observation only. Or perhaps it is like you said and there is a big difference between ON and ON+In Use.

I do set my WiFi to "Never" auto-connect but leave the time out to 60 minutes

I set my wifi to "Never" too. And if you look at the test results, "average use" with wifi ON is very different than wifi on with "extreme conditions", i.e., wifi with continuous streaming video signal, ave use is about 6-8 hrs, while extreme conditions may not even last 3.5 hr! BT results caught me by surprise, though.

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	tabletrat	2008-06-15 , 21:16
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Originally Posted by krisse

But the tablets ARE only meant to be used for browsing the internet.

Sorry, I said that wrong, I meant browsing the web, not browsing the internet. They are ok at browsing the web.

Originally Posted by krisse

That's how they're advertised, as being for things like websites, blogs, e-mail etc.

That's why they're called "internet tablets", they're meant for using internet services. They're NOT meant to be laptops or PDAs or UMPCs.

Yes. Internet tablets, not web tablets. I am not talking about pdas, or umpcs etc, I was talking about the internet as a whole, rather than just the web being a small part of it.

Originally Posted by krisse

Watch the official adverts and they don't even mention installing additional applications or anything that requires technical knowledge.

I have never seen the adverts, or thinking about installing applications, although obviously if you don't install any applications, there isn't that much of the internet you can use, just the web really. Which I guess for a lot of people is what they consider the internet.

Originally Posted by krisse

If your PC is working fine then it can be as userfriendly, but when something goes wrong the tablet is usually easier to fix, and there's a lot less that can go wrong on a tablet.

That i haven't experienced. Certainly with my mac it is easier to set up to connect that the original 770 was (albiet mostly keyboard issues, and the fact it didn't like the network).
I have also had more troubleshooting problems with the ITs than with my mac. I guess it depends on the person (and to some extent the individual computers).

Originally Posted by krisse

I say this out of experience with the relative I recommended the tablet to that led to the founding of the Internet Tablet School site. He was always having troubles with settings and error messages on Windows and Macintosh, but on the tablets there weren't really any problems after the first set up.

I imagine a lot of this comes down to luck with the machines in general.

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