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slender is offline slender
2010-04-05 , 21:08
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#11
Originally Posted by MohammadAG View Post
Just checked the wiki, someone changed and messed it up!
When the instructions were first added it was eMMC, then FIASCO, someone changed it to FIASCO then eMMC and kept the last line a (Having flashed the eMMC you should flash the FIASCO image) or something similar.
If you look history you will notice that its Marcell who edited:
http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?titl...action=history

http://maemo.org/profile/view/marcell/

Also if i go to Nokias firmware download page it says right besides Vanilla image:
"Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900
NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!"

SO probably what he put there WAS correct but overall whole flash guide is in my opinion quite horrible. I could not even update my firmware when i followed it :|

We really should make something to that. It's just filled with notes and terminology that's not clear to all people.

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Funny (or sad) thing is that after when i flashed my fiasco image my N900 booted up automatically.
 

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2010-04-05 , 21:11
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#12
Originally Posted by SC00BY View Post
Okay, thanks to Mohammad and Meamo.org, I think I'm finally beginning to learn a bit about maemo / linux -Famous Last Words

Anyway, could'nt purge Sygic, but after a process of elimination purged it with
Code:
dpkg --purge Mobile-Maps-9
Re-installed Sygic but still shuts down, so learning but not there yet

Never knew they called it Mobile-Maps-9, sorry about that

I think the statement that has been stumping me was this
When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image. Do NOT boot up the device between the two!
So I've been looking for two files to install, and then the firmware.
Now I'm thinking that the FIASCO image is actually the firmware ?
Right, the Vanilla one is the eMMC, the COMBINED one is the firmware
If I'm right I think I need to hook up the phone in usb mode and then in x term use the following:-
Code:
flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Yep, you're right, that flashes the eMMC without rebooting the device.

Then after complete, and phone still in usb mode due to not ending the command with -R and again in x term use:-
Code:
flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
In windows it's called Command Prompt, aka CMD, but that doesn't matter, you got the point

If I'm right the phone should now reboot with:-
(1) Global firmware installed Correct
(2) eMMC completely wiped Correct
(3) Only data remaining on the phone will be on my Micro SDHC card And correct

So in essence a completely reformatted phone in essence the same as a hard factory reset (*#7370#) on Symbian phones.

*#7370# with a mass memory format.

Phew !, If i'm right can someone confirm (and I'll run thru it), equally if i'm wrong can someone correct me (and if thats the case, I'll come back to it tomorrow ).

You were right on all points

As always - any help/comments greatly appreciated
Comments in black, if you're in a hurry, you were right on all, it's like a *#7370# with a mass memory format.
You can try one more thing, flash the firmware first, boot up normally, set up everything, install rootsh open terminal then (as root):
Code:
rm -rf /opt
Code:
umount /dev/mmcblk0p1
To make sure this worked open file manager, Nokia N900 should be empty/unmounted.
Code:
rm -rf /home/user/.*
I'd suggest backing up MyDocs before doing this, the unmount should prevent anything from being deleted, but you never know what happens
After the steps above reflash the firmware again to restore stuff that shouldn't have been deleted from /home/user
Try Sygic again, if it doesn't work, an eMMC reflash is your only hope.
Again, backup everything, MyDocs shouldn't be deleted using the steps above, but better be safe than sorry
Your settings will be deleted.
 

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2010-04-05 , 21:14
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#13
Originally Posted by SC00BY View Post
Okay, thanks to Mohammad and Meamo.org, I think I'm finally beginning to learn a bit about maemo / linux -Famous Last Words ...


...So in essence a completely reformatted phone in essence the same as a hard factory reset (*#7370#) on Symbian phones.

Phew !, If i'm right can someone confirm (and I'll run thru it), equally if i'm wrong can someone correct me (and if thats the case, I'll come back to it tomorrow ).

As always - any help/comments greatly appreciated
You are correct sir. I was just looking at this article today and I hope it helps >> http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/h...factory-state/
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2010-04-05 , 21:16
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Originally Posted by slender View Post
If you look history you will notice that its Marcell who edited:
http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?titl...action=history

http://maemo.org/profile/view/marcell/

Also if i go to Nokias firmware download page it says right besides Vanilla image:
"Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900
NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!"

SO probably what he put there WAS correct but overall whole flash guide is in my opinion quite horrible. I could not even update my firmware when i followed it :|

We really should make something to that. It's just filled with notes and terminology that's not clear to all people.

.edit
Funny (or sad) thing is that after when i flashed my fiasco image my N900 booted up automatically.
Well it doesn't matter which one you flash first, flashing the eMMC first then the FIASCO works well (the opposite didn't when I first got the phone).
The eMMC reflash had -R at the end, which reboots the phone (as noted in my previous post - the one you quoted), I removed the -R to make it not reboot.
I'm not sure what's with all the inconsistency, I'm also not sure who edited the tablets site but the editor could've looked at the wiki and moved what was a warning there to the tablets site, I can rewrite that wiki section if you want, but please can you test if the eMMC first then FIASCO works?


Edit: well just looked at the history and it says
(Warning for eMMC flashing order added. Will be very important for PR1.2 onwards)
It doesn't really matter now (unless Nokia release PR1.2 right now), I'll rewrite the wiki.
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Originally Posted by olighak View Post
Mine doesn´t crash so this is not universal. I´ve got the 900 overclock running.
While Scooby does a Scoobyflash can I ask if you have seen a speed-up in Sygic. Particularly with regard to POI's icons appearing sooner on a route map while motoring along.
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2010-04-05 , 21:21
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Mohammad, cheers mate - glad that this stuff is sinking in, and actually makes me want to actively learn more now

Thanks for your help and encouragement here and over at users.

Slender, you're quite right
but overall whole flash guide is in my opinion quite horrible
- its fine for someone who is fairly techie, or needs a reminder - but, for someone like me trying to learn on the fly, it is actually a little unclear and possibly misleading.

And before anyone starts shouting at me, thats not a critiscism, merely an observation to hopefully get it improved - anything that makes learning easier, is obviously going to encourage more active users - and thats got to be a good thing

Thanks again everyone
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2010-04-05 , 21:26
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Originally Posted by SC00BY View Post
Slender, you're quite right - its fine for someone who is fairly techie, or needs a reminder - but, for someone like me trying to learn on the fly, it is actually a little unclear and possibly misleading.

And before anyone starts shouting at me, thats not a critiscism, merely an observation to hopefully get it improved - anything that makes learning easier, is obviously going to encourage more active users - and thats got to be a good thing
Exactly. Actually i have rewritten barebones version on my own an lets see if i manage to get it in some shape. I think that first of all N900 needs completely different page. Too much information is too much. I have read Nokias own guide and try to adapt that same way of doing it. Not much text. Easy to follow. Troubleshooting on seperate section. I´m trying to find n900 sketch images but only ones i could find are in n900 user guide from nokia.
 
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still works fine for me.
 
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Originally Posted by slender View Post
Exactly. Actually i have rewritten barebones version on my own an lets see if i manage to get it in some shape. I think that first of all N900 needs completely different page. Too much information is too much. I have read Nokias own guide and try to adapt that same way of doing it. Not much text. Easy to follow. Troubleshooting on seperate section. I´m trying to find n900 sketch images but only ones i could find are in n900 user guide from nokia.
If you want I'll help, I already started writing one, you don't need sketches, good photos can help

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still works fine for me.
Yes it seems to have been updated for PR1.2, which hasn't been released (yet)
 
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Originally Posted by MohammadAG View Post
It doesn't really matter now (unless Nokia release PR1.2 right now), I'll rewrite the wiki.
And you also probably noticed from my another link that Marcell is Nokia employee.

You do not have to rewrite it if you leave it as Marcell edited it. Except he left there inconsistent stuff. Argh..Dunno. I will do my own version and post it to you. Let´s say in week.
 
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