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Rugoz is offline Rugoz
2010-04-22 , 15:42
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Quote: Sales down -30% in europe during past 3 months.

Thats a QoQ number, quite irrelevant. YoY sales have gone
up except in North America.


Quote: Especially if symbian 3 is just mediocre or only updating the OS to current standards.

Technically symbian 3 will be a huge update. Symbian 4 is only a new Qt-based UI.


Quote: The code is poor quality and the UI is no cohesive or has good usability. This is usually caused by poor dev managers, junior coders, no best practices in place and allowing developers to bully QA/UI teams.

Do you have Insider-knowledge? Or looked at the code?

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2010-04-22 , 15:46
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There is no doubt that the emphasis in Espoo has not been in UI performance, I remember reading a Nokia engineer saying that until the the iPhone launched they had never placed any emphasis on 'smoothness' in the UI only functionality. Symbian foundation realizes that UI is now the selling feature (IMHO moreso than apps) for launching a new device and so this delay must be to iron out issues and deliver a worthy product.
Nokia isn't going anywhere soon but they really only have a couple of years to turn things around in the high end smartphone category that they defined for many years.
 

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2010-04-22 , 15:51
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Originally Posted by Rugoz View Post
Quote: The code is poor quality and the UI is no cohesive or has good usability. This is usually caused by poor dev managers, junior coders, no best practices in place and allowing developers to bully QA/UI teams.

Do you have Insider-knowledge? Or looked at the code?

Cheers
15 years of development experience in large projects($200 Million annual per project). If you have quality issues this far down the road, it's generally because the whole project has been mis-managed.
 
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2010-04-22 , 15:53
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they really only have a couple of years to turn things around in the high end smartphone category that they defined for many years.
No, they have this year. That's it. Otherwise all 3rd party services will be locked into Android and Apple. The 1st MeeGo device has to be amazing, and the N8 has to match the iPhone in simplicity. There are no other options.
 

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2010-04-22 , 15:57
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No, they have this year. That's it. Otherwise all 3rd party services will be locked into Android and Apple. The 1st MeeGo device has to be amazing, and the N8 has to match the iPhone in simplicity. There are no other options.

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2010-04-22 , 15:58
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Originally Posted by jnwi View Post
No, they have this year. That's it. Otherwise all 3rd party services will be locked into Android and Apple. The 1st MeeGo device has to be amazing, and the N8 has to match the iPhone in simplicity. There are no other options.
Just look at the awesome phones Dell just announced

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/d...ice-leaks-out/

Nokia is supposed to be creating wow's and ahhhs with phone releases. No one ever complains about Noki'a hardware, is their hard-on for Symbian going to be their downfall. They have not yet shown they are any good at software at the same level as Apple or Google.
 
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2010-04-22 , 16:03
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To be perfectly clear, this is where Nokia is right now.
 

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2010-04-22 , 16:12
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Quote: If you have quality issues this far down the road, it's generally because the whole project has been mis-managed.

I guess you mean s60 5th edition by quality issues. I had N82 and E71 and was completely satisfied by the software quality from a user perspective.

Quote: No, they have this year. That's it. Otherwise all 3rd party services will be locked into Android and Apple. The 1st MeeGo device has to be amazing, and the N8 has to match the iPhone in simplicity. There are no other options.

My god, how alarmist.
 
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2010-04-22 , 16:13
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To be perfectly clear, this is where Nokia is right now.
Agree If you mean that Nokia is team Russia in that video.


(In the lead, but Android coming fast from behind).
 
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2010-04-22 , 16:17
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Originally Posted by Rauha View Post
Agree If you mean that Nokia is team Russia in that video.


(In the lead, but Android coming fast from behind).
No. Nokia is behind, but with more players on the ice. They have to score now or it's over.

Originally Posted by Rugoz View Post
My god, how alarmist.
I am not being alarmist. It isn't even just about apps. The N900 will not carry Nokia's image much longer, and image is critical. It doesn't matter if they can dominate the low to mid end, because the media will hate them as long as they don't have an "iPhone". It'll suddenly be uncool to have any kind of Nokia, and people will flock to Samsung.
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