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2010-07-22 , 19:01
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Originally Posted by leviathan18 View Post
my take on this, kill ovi brand (not the services) rename everything to NOKIA and be consistent
Don't agree here. There's a really good reason to keep the brands separate. Ovi services could be integrated with interesting products from many different industries, and doing that plus selling phones with one brand would be awkward.

It's yet another WTF why Nokia hasn't been doing this already, of course, but maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
 

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2010-07-22 , 19:48
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Wow, it sounds like an avalanche is headed for Espoo. What a debacle!! That surely explains quite a bit about what has and HAS NOT been going on. Well, I'll just continue that American "arrogance and aggression" by suggesting they call a board meeting to some of those that need to go and just throw a hand grenade and get it over with... Risku needs to be there to help with the clean up. They are f*^ked up from the ground up....
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2010-07-22 , 20:05
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Originally Posted by jnack95 View Post
Not sure what you've been eating....but mine usually sinks to the bottom.
Vegetarian diets sink, meat-eating diets float. It would appear that a voracious appetite of eating other peoples' money falls under vegetarian.

Originally Posted by scribbles View Post
Wow, it sounds like an avalanche is headed for Espoo. What a debacle!! That surely explains quite a bit about what has and HAS NOT been going on. Well, I'll just continue that American "arrogance and aggression" by suggesting they call a board meeting to some of those that need to go and just throw a hand grenade and get it over with... Risku needs to be there to help with the clean up. They are f*^ked up from the ground up....
Agreed, entirely. I also don't understand his snipes at Americans. Truth be told, "arrogance" is precisely what we're getting out of this Finnish company--so... huh? Aggression would probably help here, though. They need to start crufting out the carcinogenic members of this company. I entirely agree with his idea to remove MUCH of the upper and middle command structure and concentrate on a design and engineering culture. They already have a lot of engineers (mind you, they're not being listened to) but they need to HIRE a lot more designers to work along with them in lieu of the useless and pathetic members of the executive and management tiers. They also need to increase their army of support personnel and empower them with a better ability to assist customers and management needs to help them make things happen for those customers.

But what do I know? I'm just one of those "customer" people.
 

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2010-07-22 , 20:11
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There's arrogance from all directions here, just over different turfs.
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2010-07-22 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
There's arrogance from all directions here, just over different turfs.
That's precisely what I'm getting at. I'm not sure I understood why he even mentions Americans to start with, much less get all nationalistic and paint them arrogance and aggressive. Nokia just needs some smart and creative leadership. If I wanted to fight nationalism with nationalism I would have claimed that it's clear that Finns are aloof and hate their customers, looking at Nokia. That's also clearly a wide brush that you HAVE to know to be untrue.
 
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2010-07-22 , 23:58
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Originally Posted by scribbles View Post
Wow, it sounds like an avalanche is headed for Espoo. What a debacle!! That surely explains quite a bit about what has and HAS NOT been going on. Well, I'll just continue that American "arrogance and aggression" by suggesting they call a board meeting to some of those that need to go and just throw a hand grenade and get it over with... Risku needs to be there to help with the clean up. They are f*^ked up from the ground up....
im not sure where the 'arrogance and aggression' quote was pulled, but, it does shed some light on WHY Nokia doesn't care about the USA market... they simply wont be bothered by low-brow Americans... owned!
 
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2010-07-23 , 00:03
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@Nokia: burn motafuka! burn!
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2010-07-26 , 05:26
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@Nokia: burn motafuka! burn!
Sadly, I have to hesitantly agree with your sentiment (although I really don't agree with your choice of words). If Nokia intends to practice anti-Americanism as one of their business motives, then I for one I would hope that they whither away for their nationalistic attitudes. Mind you--these weren't Nokia's words.. but that is the attitude this reporter seemed to pick up on.
 
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2010-07-29 , 01:23
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Gee, Bourdain, I would call that emphasis without content.
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2010-07-29 , 01:30
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Originally Posted by Enyibinakata View Post
Not always the case though. Eric Schmidt CEO of google wrote Unix lex parser for example. Problem with firms like Nokia is that they have execs who have no hands on experience of tech or industrial design. Just look at what Moto CEO Sanjay has acheived in a short while.

Why did Nokia entrust design and marketing to a fake tech/design/marketing/business/fashion city like London. You go to London to learn English and pay high taxes. Cool Britannia is nonsense and the place is full of incompetent posers. Only the financial bit is ok. OPK has been asleep indeed.
This OPK dude had been playing golf in his free time http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/cor...ekka-kallasvuo
 
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