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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
With all of the people declaring that each and every motherlovin' article that doesn't come from some obscure website that loves every-goshdarn thing that Nokia has done is pushed aside to some USA-centric, Euro-unfriendly, or whatever else is applicable label and not one article that has facts, disputes the successes at the risk of being a bit on the edge of critiquing Nokia... well, I'm waiting on that kind of article.
What sources? That Nokia constantly favors Symbian over Maemo? I don't think we need sources to figure that one out.
Nobody wants to admit that some of Nokia's choices have been counter-intuitive and nonsensical in some aspects.
No. So let's see a counter article. Let's see somebody write an article that isn't blind praise, or blind antagonism.
That's my request.
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Originally Posted by bugelrex
the curse of the incumbent corporation. As the managements primary mission is for the corporation to maximize profits (funneled into shareholder dividend), the bigger they grow the more risk averse they become.
The hopeful parts of the article do show employees recognizing shortfalls and trying to innovate... it was the management blocking projects from going forward and insisting Symbian remain unchanged as much as possible
I fear that the new CEO will be more conservative then Olli, as the shareholders basically had themselves his head on a platter because of falling profits.
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Originally Posted by tso
A bit ironic that an NYT article would be considered an example of US myopia, considering that the New York Times has an Anti-American agenda (if you believe the American extremist right, that is
Ugh, more mobile world as seen from US myopia.
before the apple app store i had used serveral phones that came with pre-configured shortcuts to "web stores" where i could download "apps" for my phones. the payment of these would be my monthly phone bill. And this was for "featurephones". And i am sure nokia ran something similar.
As for the touchscreen phone that never happened, is that a mention of the 7700?
Also, whats up with not mentioning the N800 or N810 that was followups to the 770? Its as if the 770 was the only device in the series.
).In any case, the thrust of the article really concerns management decision-making, rather than technology. Citing a laundry list of omissions from the technology-side does not negate the main thesis of the article: Nokia's risk-averse, consensus-based, management culture of the past decade, while adequate for protecting the base business in the short-term, may not have been nimble, coherent, or decisive enough to nurture a critical mass of innovation that can drive long-term growth.
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Originally Posted by klinglerware
Thing is that the items are paraded as examples of bad management, yet the examples given are flawed. As such one can question the validity of the article itself, as any argument made from a flawed starting point is bound to end up with a flawed conclusion.
A bit ironic that an NYT article would be considered an example of US myopia, considering that the New York Times has an Anti-American agenda (if you believe the American extremist right, that is
In any case, the thrust of the article really concerns management decision-making, rather than technology. Citing a laundry list of omissions from the technology-side does not negate the main thesis of the article: Nokia's risk-averse, consensus-based, management culture of the past decade, while adequate for protecting the base business in the short-term, may not have been nimble, coherent, or decisive enough to generate the critical mass of innovation that can drive long-term growth.
And i am unsure how NYTs political stance colors their technology reporting.
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Originally Posted by tso
The comment about the NYTs politics was an attempt at humor.
Thing is that the items are paraded as examples of bad management, yet the examples given are flawed. As such one can question the validity of the article itself, as any argument made from a flawed starting point is bound to end up with a flawed conclusion.
And i am unsure how NYTs political stance colors their technology reporting.
In any case, the author reached out to both ex-Nokia employees and a Nokia spokesperson for balance. Other than the share data citing ComScore and Strategy Analytics (American market research firms), all of the sources are European with an intimate understanding of Nokia's decision-making practices.
I still don't think Arja Suominen's failure to remember the touchscreen phones released before the Nokia 770 and the nicer-spec'd Internet Tablets that came afterwards really invalidates the author's main point about Nokia's management culture. Although, it can be said that Suominen's shot at the ex-Nokia's employees as being small potatoes in the Nokia world does potentially speak volumes.
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Originally Posted by klinglerware
Thing is we do not know how Arja presented it, as it is not a quote but a mention by the author of the article. That is, all we know is that Arja mentioned the 770 alongside the nokia patent portfolio as example that nokia is capable of innovation.
I still don't think Arja Suominen's failure to remember the touchscreen phones released before the Nokia 770 and the nicer-spec'd Internet Tablets that came afterwards really invalidates the author's main point about Nokia's management culture. Although, it can be said that Suominen's shot at the ex-Nokia's employees as being small potatoes in the Nokia world does potentially speak volumes.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Have you read Tommi Ahonen's blog? It's quite good.
No. So let's see a counter article. Let's see somebody write an article that isn't blind praise, or blind antagonism.
That's my request.
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2010-09-27
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Originally Posted by slender
Link me, please.
Have you read Tommi Ahonen's blog? It's quite good.
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If these types of employees are still around, the new CEO does have a chance of delivering the BEST COMMERCIALLY viable high-end phone.