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lemon_grass is offline lemon_grass
2011-01-27 , 20:11
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Originally Posted by shockgiga View Post
i just dont understand how a world leading mobile phone manufacturer, with way more resources ( man power, money ) and most of all, experience, is struggling to immediately come up with a better answer to IOS ever since the iphone came out. ( disputable, but sales do talk )

it just depresses me that they are wasting time and money.
They became infected by symbian people who could tell more lies than anyone else. Couple that with no vision about what they wanted - then a crazy asses vision of out googling google with the absolute pile of trash that is ovi - thanks OPK. OPK loaded the board with non entities (Mary Mcmental and her amazing ability to totally cockup everything she touches) - all yes people who didn't seem to be able to provide any time.
He managed to stall all linux work started by the previous CEO - by limiting maemo to specialist buyers, One of the key reasons for that was because the N900 was going to actually be ready to sell before the pile of horseshit that was the N97 - they didn't want the N97 to be threatened by the N900.
S40 was left to rot - its now in an advanced state of decay - they are outsourcing like crazy to india to drop R+D costs. The one thing they had that apple and google didn't have was radio and protocol experience - and as of December last year they sold that off.

So Elop is inheriting a Nokia that is at a real cross roads - a drop of 9% in market share cannot be seen as good. Android is now eating in to its mid range and lower tier devices and Apple is still wiping the floor on the high end. Carriers in North America now openly laugh in the face of Nokia devices (note the AT+T debacle).
Can Elop turn it around ? - I don't rate him so far. I've seen none of the signs of a true leader.
 

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2011-01-27 , 20:16
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Originally Posted by woussie View Post
Wow, easy there. Source?

A quick google search told me that Nokia sold 4 million N8 units in two months after the release, which is an impressive number indeed (hats off to Nokia), but also that the iPhone 4 sold 3 units in the first month after the release. So, more than the iPhone 4 and the 3gs combined... I don't think so. But the numbers also prove that the N8 is doing good, so your point is still correct
I meant in the last two months of last year.
 
woussie is offline woussie
2011-01-27 , 20:27
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Ah ok I see, sorry, I misread your post... that may be indeed correct. But that's not really a fair comparison imo (iPhone 4 was already out 6 months before, while the N8 was just released)
 
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2011-01-27 , 20:31
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Originally Posted by lemon_grass View Post
They became infected by symbian people who could tell more lies than anyone else. Couple that with no vision about what they wanted - then a crazy asses vision of out googling google with the absolute pile of trash that is ovi - thanks OPK. OPK loaded the board with non entities (Mary Mcmental and her amazing ability to totally cockup everything she touches) - all yes people who didn't seem to be able to provide any time.
He managed to stall all linux work started by the previous CEO - by limiting maemo to specialist buyers, One of the key reasons for that was because the N900 was going to actually be ready to sell before the pile of horseshit that was the N97 - they didn't want the N97 to be threatened by the N900.
S40 was left to rot - its now in an advanced state of decay - they are outsourcing like crazy to india to drop R+D costs. The one thing they had that apple and google didn't have was radio and protocol experience - and as of December last year they sold that off.

So Elop is inheriting a Nokia that is at a real cross roads - a drop of 9% in market share cannot be seen as good. Android is now eating in to its mid range and lower tier devices and Apple is still wiping the floor on the high end. Carriers in North America now openly laugh in the face of Nokia devices (note the AT+T debacle).
Can Elop turn it around ? - I don't rate him so far. I've seen none of the signs of a true leader.
Nonsense. Symbian is doing extremely well. Only Android has a larger rate of growth since Q3 2009. What has happened is that smartphones (read Android and Symbian) has taken over for dumbphones in the mid-ranges. Elop has no part in this. We will see what the Elop regime is good for when MeeGo eventually gets rolling, and how well he handles the Symbian^3 devices.

 
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shockgiga is offline shockgiga
2011-01-27 , 21:07
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it's just that i remember during my nokia 8210 days back in college. that nokia is if not the first, one of the first ones to come up with a touch screen mobile phone concept. i was so amazed upon seeing those concept images. also, most of the cellular and data technologies used today even the name 3rd generation technology came from them.

despite of every achievement mentioned above, they are now struggling on something they most likely created themselves.
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I have an N900, N8 & iphone4 (all without contracts). but I'm not a "fan" of them. they're just for communication and fun. nothing more...
I don't need a phone to feel special. And I don't "love" my phone, I love my wife. We use the word "love" in a different and more appropriate context.
 
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