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2007-08-27
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#11
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Can't bitwise operations be used to change color on the fly?
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2007-08-27
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I think its a great idea Bruce.I would imagine a solution like the full screen keyboard semi transparently overlayed over the page/app you are working in, but instead of freezing the background: keep it live, so you can see what you type in the actual app. This would also free up some keyboard space for eg. a proper shift key. (or would this require Apple's much copyrighted 'multi touch')?
In terms of the readability concern - i think it might just work - the qwerty keyboard doesnt need to be terribly dominating - we all know a keyboards layout. Or otherwise one could try for a fancy graphic technique like inverting the background, or XORing it?
If it works Id even go so far as dreaming of a hardware 'keyboard on/keyboard off' switch. Hint hint nokia...
In terms of the readability concern - i think it might just work - the qwerty keyboard doesnt need to be terribly dominating - we all know a keyboards layout. Or otherwise one could try for a fancy graphic technique like inverting the background, or XORing it?
If it works Id even go so far as dreaming of a hardware 'keyboard on/keyboard off' switch. Hint hint nokia...
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2007-08-27
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Originally Posted by ragnar
You can have the transparancy settable by user in realtime directly on the keyboard. I think one can find what suits him the best.
The biggest problems:
- Level of transparency. Take a use case like writing in Notes or Email or Chat. It's rather hard to design a level of transparency where you see both the keyboard and the underlying text clearly.
Originally Posted by ragnar
You can have it movable and/or collapsible (but without resizing main window). It can fill less than half screen and have one button/arrow to jump to top or bottom of the screen quickly, that way you can move it out of the way with single click.
- Moving the cursor (and other interactions). How does the user then move the cursor (or highlight the text) if the keyboard layer comes over the application area. (Using the HW keys isn't really a great solution for that...) Not to mention the other interactions there. What if the user is typing into a small text field and he wants to scroll the field using the scroll bars etc.
I think current biggest issue (apart from having less space in general) is the act of resizing main application window. Resizing will be always slow and will cause various headaches. So the key is NOT to resize but overlay main window(with transparency) and have the keyboard quickly switchable to top/bottom to move it out of way when you need to interact.
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2007-08-27
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Good idea fanoush. The color scheme could be inverted by the user as well.
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2007-08-27
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An alternative keyboard I've used (on Palm) is called MessagEase.
They show an N800 on their page, but don't list it in the downloads (they show iPhone too, I think they're just trying to drum up interest by showing potential uses).
http://www.exideas.com/ME/index.html
It takes practice, but it uses little screen space and is very fast and reliable. It has 9 boxes for common letters, for the remainder you drag across the box.
If you really want to see how it works, there is a free trial of a PC version (meant for tablets, but you can work it with a mouse).
They show an N800 on their page, but don't list it in the downloads (they show iPhone too, I think they're just trying to drum up interest by showing potential uses).
http://www.exideas.com/ME/index.html
It takes practice, but it uses little screen space and is very fast and reliable. It has 9 boxes for common letters, for the remainder you drag across the box.
If you really want to see how it works, there is a free trial of a PC version (meant for tablets, but you can work it with a mouse).
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2007-08-29
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i'm willing to bet that the current built-in keyboard is an executable somehwere. We need to find out where it is and then try replacing it with a test app, although this might be bad if we lose control of key inputs...i'll look around my n800
I did a search and came up with all of these results.
I also Googled and got this page: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-m...keyboard.patch
referencing matchbox-keyboard, but this is for the under development ubuntu mobile, so even though it's hildon, n800 might not have it.
AND not sure why I didn't remember this: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2...oard-for-n800/
it might not be integrated into the system, but it's a start. I still think overlaying the keyboard is better than popping up a fullscreen for the keyboard.
Now what do we do? Maybe some concept layout images?
Last edited by Brenden; 2007-08-29 at 19:27.
I did a search and came up with all of these results.
Code:
/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/osso/applet/hwkeyboard /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/apps/osso/applet/hwkeyboard /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/system/osso/af/keybindings /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/system/osso/af/keybindings /etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs /etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.sh /mnt/initfs/sys/module/keyboard /sys/module/keyboard /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ruru.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-engb.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-mr0.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-fifi.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-dede.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-nono.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-frca.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-esmx.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-esmx.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-dadk.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-dadk.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-eses.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-frca.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ptbr.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-fifi.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-nono.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ptbr.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ptpt.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-nlnl.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-dede.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-svse.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.conffiles /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-enus.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-engb.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-eses.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-nlnl.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-frfr.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-itit.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-svse.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ptpt.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-enus.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-ruru.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-mr0.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-itit.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-applet-hwkeyboard-l10n-frfr.md5sums /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/libcphwkeyboard.so /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/qgn_list_cp_keyboard.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon/qgn_list_btno_gen_peripheral_keyboard.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_list_cp_keyboard.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_list_btno_gen_peripheral_keyboard.png /usr/share/keyboards /usr/share/locale/da_DK/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/es_ES/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/fi_FI/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/fr_CA/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/it_IT/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/nl_NL/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/no_NO/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/pt_PT/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/locale/sv_SE/LC_MESSAGES/osso-applet-hwkeyboard.mo /usr/share/sounds/ui-thumb_keyboard_launch.wav /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_pressed.png /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_prefix_normal.png /usr/share/themes/default/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme1/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_pressed.png /usr/share/themes/theme1/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_prefix_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme1/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme2/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_pressed.png /usr/share/themes/theme2/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_prefix_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme2/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme3/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_pressed.png /usr/share/themes/theme3/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_prefix_normal.png /usr/share/themes/theme3/images/qgn_plat_inputmet_button_keyboard_word_compl_normal.png /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/cphwkeyboard.desktop /home/user/.osso/keybindings.rc
referencing matchbox-keyboard, but this is for the under development ubuntu mobile, so even though it's hildon, n800 might not have it.
AND not sure why I didn't remember this: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2...oard-for-n800/
it might not be integrated into the system, but it's a start. I still think overlaying the keyboard is better than popping up a fullscreen for the keyboard.
Now what do we do? Maybe some concept layout images?
Last edited by Brenden; 2007-08-29 at 19:27.
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2007-08-29
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BTW, the kayboard example above is written in PYTHON, not C++ with some nice Py libs. I found a link already on maemo more about it: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/v...f6e86f7bb.html
Looks pretty awesome, not sure why it took me so long to hear about this!
Looks pretty awesome, not sure why it took me so long to hear about this!
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2007-08-29
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Originally Posted by Brenden
Yes please, concept images with real life use cases. Meaning take real screenshots of things like Email and Notes and then draw on top of those.
Now what do we do? Maybe some concept layout images?