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Originally Posted by ste-phan
I fully agree and have similar thoughts.
The (intel) tablet being a project with lower prestige level than releasing a Jolla II in all aspects superior to the original Jolla should not have made it to mass production unless there was real profit to be made.
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My conclusion is, that they should have stayed startup long enough to finish Saiflish 1.0 and be open about it. If they would have told me they needed 199 USD to perfect Sailfish on Jolla phone so that potential partners would start drooling to have it on their device unconditionally, I would have happily contributed.
For quite a while I am wondering why Intel has so little interest in Jolla (other than providing a chip-set for hopefully less the usual cost). Jolla made quiet an Investment in order to adapt a mobile OS to an Intel platform. The one who could benefit the most from it is Intel. So they should invest in Jolla.
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Hmm. I think maybe you're right; GTK+ has so many more because it is plain C, and therefore, you really really don't want to use it raw.
That's quite a short list though (and even then I don't think some are full bindings), compare it to GTK+. I think the reason GTK+ has so many more is because it's plain C.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Amen!
Simple. Jolla leaders were depending on receiving a round of funding in November. They essentially bet the entire company on it. If they had received it, the most logical thing to do would be to maximize the Tablet output, to get as many devices in the hands of users as possible, and encourage new apps to be written by developers. This would in turn provide more advertising for Sailfish, which would boost their ability to encourage manufacturers to become licensees.
But, of course, everything was dependent on getting that additional funding.
It was probably a decent bet for a startup to make. If that funding had come through, Jolla would have had one of the few alternative OSs this year that was still ascendent. That alone might have made manufacturers more interested in Sailfish...
I mean, it's so obvious that I assumed everybody could see it and I did not see the reason to spell it out. But maybe it's not obvious to everybody. Thanks, Copernicus.
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2015-12-10
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Another thing worth mentioning is that it was really the only way startup can function. Take the money, make a bet and try to make most out of it in order to advance enough to get another round of financing until you have steady revenue streams. In the end the situation would have been exactly the same even without Tablet, as they would still be dependent on external financing. They needed a product to shown and Tablet was a logical step to demonstrate the adaptability of the UI paradigm. It was also successful as there is (or was) the Intex deal.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
You still miss the point that November was 3rd or 4th delay from promised May.
Simple. Jolla leaders were depending on receiving a round of funding in November. They essentially bet the entire company on it. If they had received it, the most logical thing to do would be to maximize the Tablet output, to get as many devices in the hands of users as possible, and encourage new apps to be written by developers. This would in turn provide more advertising for Sailfish, which would boost their ability to encourage manufacturers to become licensees.
But, of course, everything was dependent on getting that additional funding.
It was probably a decent bet for a startup to make. If that funding had come through, Jolla would have had one of the few alternative OSs this year that was still ascendent. That alone might have made manufacturers more interested in Sailfish...
It's like every delay they somehow have the "reason" that justify the delay. But on other hand it's weird that every time it takes them at least month and a lot of customers noise to explain what happened.
It seems to me more as excuses. As well It reminds me the story of the boy and a wolf. Who shout wolf several times when there was no wolf, but when wolf came no one came to help.
This is happening when you are not straight with customers/investors.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
That's definitly true. But what I never understood, was that they never really tried to open other income channels. Why didn't they sell batteries or other TOH (not only different colors). Why didn't they try to sell some more powerful apps, fan-article... Of course nothing of these things would have been enough. But at least there would have been a little more income and they wouldn't have to rely solely on the investors.
Another thing worth mentioning is that it was really the only way startup can function. Take the money, make a bet and try to make most out of it in order to advance enough to get another round of financing until you have steady revenue streams. In the end the situation would have been exactly the same even without Tablet, as they would still be dependent on external financing. They needed a product to shown and Tablet was a logical step to demonstrate the adaptability of the UI paradigm. It was also successful as there is (or was) the Intex deal.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by ZogG
I think Copernicus' thoughts go beyond that. It is a question of seeing the forest for the trees.
You still miss the point that November was 3rd or 4th delay from promised May.
It's like every delay they somehow have the "reason" that justify the delay. But on other hand it's weird that every time it takes them at least month and a lot of customers noise to explain what happened.
It seems to me more as excuses. As well It reminds me the story of the boy and a wolf. Who shout wolf several times when there was no wolf, but when wolf came no one came to help.
This is happening when you are not straight with customers/investors.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by ZogG
So, ZogG, question: is there any private corporation you actually like?
This is happening when you are not straight with customers/investors.
EDIT: Sorry, missed a G there.
Last edited by Copernicus; 2015-12-10 at 16:04.
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
I've gotta admit, I second this thought.
But what I never understood, was that they never really tried to open other income channels.
But these guys came out of Nokia; I would imagine they already had a good understanding of what it takes to interact with mobile device manufacturers, and a good understanding of how Android is marketed to them. They saw an opportunity to slip into that world with an alternative OS, and I'm sure they spent every effort to do so.They were putting enormous amounts of effort and resources into their software. I think the only company that has succeeded in doing that, without focussing on licensing their product to other hardware companies, is Apple. And I really don't think the world needs another Apple...
The margins in direct-to-consumer electronics is (again, other than for Apple) ridiculously thin. Jolla would really not have been able to be the company it was if it was marketing directly to end-users. (Although I don't think that would have been so bad myself...)
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But, of course, everything was dependent on getting that additional funding.
It was probably a decent bet for a startup to make. If that funding had come through, Jolla would have had one of the few alternative OSs this year that was still ascendent. That alone might have made manufacturers more interested in Sailfish...
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