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People will call it as they see it fit. It's bs for a company to manufacture 'chocolate candybars' and spend massive amount of marketing and PR to insist that they're called 'exquisite cocoa blocks' or some such.
(It's even more ridiculous if you connoisseurs start to diss people who will call these things smartphone once they're released and don't get this simple logic
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- 'mobile computer' is a mouthful.
- computers are those things on the desktops. when they're portable, they get the notebook, netbook or smartphone moniker.
- once the n900 is released, it's not going to get the 'mobile computer' label. on the other hand, the 'smartphone' is getting a bump up in feature and capability perception due to its new leader, the n900.
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(It's even more ridiculous if you connoisseurs start to diss people who will call these things smartphone once they're released and don't get this simple logic
)- 'mobile computer' is a mouthful.
- computers are those things on the desktops. when they're portable, they get the notebook, netbook or smartphone moniker.
- once the n900 is released, it's not going to get the 'mobile computer' label. on the other hand, the 'smartphone' is getting a bump up in feature and capability perception due to its new leader, the n900.
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Originally Posted by ragnar
The problem is that Nokia has been marketing its high-end Symbian phones as "mobile computers" since N95. Is the above definition official? If it is, does it mean eventual replacement of N95/N97/etc with Maemo devices?
For Nokia, Maemo is not the "smartphone" platform, Symbian is that. Maemo "is an advanced Linux-based operating system designed to run on high-end Nokia mobile computers" (as said in maemo.nokia.com).
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As far as I see it, Nokia is marketing N900 and future Maemo devices as something that is not meant primarily to be used as a phone, unlike the usual smartphone is. It has phone capabilities, but that is not the focal point of the device. If you look at the rest of the N series, except maybe N97, all of these devices are actually primarily phones, and only secondly they are mp3 players, cameras, navigational devices, and so on... It's pretty much like E90, yes it is a phone, but other features just overshadowed and vastly surpassed the phone capabilities(at the time).
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Just looked for n810 official price tag in the US at launch (end November 2007): $479 + tax. As reported here:
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-shipp...inally-208621/
or here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia...es-71301.shtml
If I remember correctly, soon after some retailers offered the N810 in a price range of $410-430.
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-shipp...inally-208621/
or here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia...es-71301.shtml
If I remember correctly, soon after some retailers offered the N810 in a price range of $410-430.
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Originally Posted by nowave7
Yes... If 'phoning' and talking are your #1 use case, something a lot smaller, with less power and therefore more battery life, dedicated hw keys for call handling etc. make for a better phone than what the N900 for instance is. (It's not to say that the N900 doesn't work as an ok phone.)
As far as I see it, Nokia is marketing N900 and future Maemo devices as something that is not meant primarily to be used as a phone, unlike the usual smartphone is. It has phone capabilities, but that is not the focal point of the device. If you look at the rest of the N series, except maybe N97, all of these devices are actually primarily phones, and only secondly they are mp3 players, cameras, navigational devices, and so on... It's pretty much like E90, yes it is a phone, but other features just overshadowed and vastly surpassed the phone capabilities(at the time).
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Originally Posted by noventa98
That's what I recall as well. The US price was close to the European price in number, not in conversion rate ($479 compared to 449 euros?).
Just looked for n810 official price tag in the US at launch (end November 2007): $479 + tax.
If that holds up for the N900, then the 600-650 euros price might translate to $630-$680. And, I believe, that's before subsidies, right?
[QUTOE]If I remember correctly, soon after some retailers offered the N810 in a price range of $410-430.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think it was letstalk.com that was selling them at a $75 discount. Continuing with the above pricing, that would bring it down to $555-$605. Again, before subsidies. If T-mobile gives a $200-$300 subsidy (about what they seem to give), then we're talking $255-$405 for the final price.
I'll stick to my previous guess of $300-$350.
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@nowave7
It doesnt matter how the PR people will define it. The user reception will, like always, define how something will be used/remembered or not.
When iPhone came out Apple did not think about the massive amounts of Apps/Podcasts/etc that would be available to their platform.
The direction that a product takes is due to different kinds of usage and requests by the users, no matter how they have marketed the device first. If profit is in sight and the market wants, Nokia would gladly change the "mobile computer" (or whatever you want to call it) to "terracota pie".
Your view is to tied to what the PR people has said instead of a broaden strategy that follows every product in every company.
It doesnt matter how the PR people will define it. The user reception will, like always, define how something will be used/remembered or not.
When iPhone came out Apple did not think about the massive amounts of Apps/Podcasts/etc that would be available to their platform.
The direction that a product takes is due to different kinds of usage and requests by the users, no matter how they have marketed the device first. If profit is in sight and the market wants, Nokia would gladly change the "mobile computer" (or whatever you want to call it) to "terracota pie".
Your view is to tied to what the PR people has said instead of a broaden strategy that follows every product in every company.
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Originally Posted by HangLoose
I strongly disagree here, especially when it comes to Apple. In their case the PR/marketing made a deal of the century out of an average product, which iPhone at the time was. And to think that apps/podcasts/etc came a surprise for Apple is just naive, they planned it, and they planned it well.
@nowave7
It doesnt matter how the PR people will define it. The user reception will, like always, define how something will be used/remembered or not.
When iPhone came out Apple did not think about the massive amounts of Apps/Podcasts/etc that would be available to their platform.
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@nowave7
Well, we have to agree to disagree then...
I see it more evolutionary than revolutionary.
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And on the tone of evolutionary, Maemo has a great way to evolve and not being constrained like iPhone platform is. Lets see if I will bite my tongue when/if Apple releases their Tablet.
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Well, we have to agree to disagree then...
I see it more evolutionary than revolutionary.
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And on the tone of evolutionary, Maemo has a great way to evolve and not being constrained like iPhone platform is. Lets see if I will bite my tongue when/if Apple releases their Tablet.
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For Nokia, Maemo is not the "smartphone" platform, Symbian is that.
Maemo "is an advanced Linux-based operating system designed to run on high-end Nokia mobile computers" (as said in maemo.nokia.com).
Reporters naturally write whatever they happen to come up with, but if somebody wants to write like Nokia wants to position them, then smartphones and mobile computers is currently a good way to go.