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2009-11-28
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#32
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Actually I do think that Nokia should have sold the n900 to people in this community first. Then let all the newcomers have it in the later shipments so the community is first prepared. That way people that have the devices to develop software, test it, report bugs, etc..
The OP is right maemo.org is the real competition and membership should be almost a pre-requisite to purchasing a devise. If you can't handle membership then maybe the N900 isn't for you. If you somehow slipped through the cracks because of peer pressure or whatnot, bought the N900, and are not happy in some way, we could gently direct you to the "Wanted" thread and you can move on.
As it is now anyone who pays the price can get in and wind up complaining (this doesn't do X like the other smartphones do) or misunderstanding things (such as us warning people away from red pill mode because it has the potential to brick your device or warrant a reflash).
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"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-11-28
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#33
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Originally Posted by zerojay
Exactly!
The reason why people don't want other users to talk about red pill mode is because it's not meant for end users, can very easily (potentially) brick your device as well as make you lose all your data.
Telling normal users to enable red pill mode and telling normal users to use Extras-Devel or Extras-Testing is simply dangerous. Everybody please ALWAYS add a big warning when speaking about these. Also see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=343619
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2009-11-28
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#34
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So
I mean wow
You're actually saying that people like myself, end users, those with little knowledge of linux should not have the device
I can't stop laughing
Unless another forum / community springs up the N900 is doomed
I post my thoughts and get told I shouldn't have the device
N900 and Nokia will die a real slow death if this attitude is prevalent as it appears to be.
I mean wow
You're actually saying that people like myself, end users, those with little knowledge of linux should not have the device
I can't stop laughing
Unless another forum / community springs up the N900 is doomed
I post my thoughts and get told I shouldn't have the device
N900 and Nokia will die a real slow death if this attitude is prevalent as it appears to be.
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2009-11-28
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#35
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Maybe i missed something but how did you install snesoid to N900? I thought it was android program.
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2009-11-28
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#36
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Originally Posted by maemojedi
What the hell are you talking about? It's not that "you should not have the device", it's about "you shouldn't do stuff that can potentially brick your device"
So
I mean wow
You're actually saying that people like myself, end users, those with little knowledge of linux should not have the device
If you are sure you want to take the risk, go ahead, enable Red-Pill Mode, enable Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel and do whatever you want, but don't complain if anything goes wrong.
We aren't being "mean bastards hiding information". These things are meant only for advanced users and developers. Can you say that you are an advanced user or an developer?
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2009-11-28
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#37
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Originally Posted by phreck
If only he owned a device that allowed him to use the web wherever he was. WHY WHY is there no such device .....
this makes me lol like no other. cry because people dont just throw everything you want at you, then turn it around on the community? ****ing horsecrap man. your only competition is yourself. google things for crying out loud....
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2009-11-28
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#38
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Originally Posted by maemojedi
See here is what happens
So
I mean wow
You're actually saying that people like myself, end users, those with little knowledge of linux should not have the device
I can't stop laughing
Unless another forum / community springs up the N900 is doomed
I post my thoughts and get told I shouldn't have the device
N900 and Nokia will die a real slow death if this attitude is prevalent as it appears to be.
Step 1: whine about not knowing how to install an extras package that can potentially brick your device
Step 2: Whine about us not sending you or directing you ROMs which is illegal and you could find yourself with 2 minutes of googling
Step 3: Finally figure out how to install package
Step 4: Brick device
Step 5: Whine about how you bricked your device and the n900 is stupid and we all suck because we wont help you fix it.
The issue here isnt that we are hoarding our information - its that we are trying to stop you doing something that can be potentially hazardous to your N900. If however you will sign a statement that allows us to point and laugh at you if/when you brick your phone - i am sure someone would be happy to help you and the rest of us would be happy to point and laugh.
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Class .. : Power Poster, Potential Coder
Humor .. : [*********] Alignment: Chaotic Evil
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Agro ... : |*****-----] Relic(s) : G1, N900
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2009-11-28
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Originally Posted by Bratag
Sign me up for the pointing and laughing.
If however you will sign a statement that allows us to point and laugh at you if/when you brick your phone - i am sure someone would be happy to help you and the rest of us would be happy to point and laugh.
Here's an example of my performance:
Haha
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2009-11-28
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Originally Posted by joppu
Amen. Maemojedi is missing the most important point of all: Personal responsibility. By not researching stuff yourself, you are not accepting that whatever unstable software you install is your own responsibility. You may say it is now, but once you sit there with your bricked N900, you'll probably come on here shouting at the person who made the program that bricked your device. And if not you, then someone else will.
What the hell are you talking about? It's not that "you should not have the device", it's about "you shouldn't do stuff that can potentially brick your device"
* Developers create stuff and release it to repositories with different levels of stability.
* Only the topmost one (extras) are ok to install for anyone.
* If you don't know how to install stuff from extras-testing or extras-devel, then you shouldn't. It's a community built failsafe against screwing up your device.
* And finally: It is out of respect towards the developers that we don't spoon-feed you the solutions. What if one of the most anticipated applications ends up bricking your (and several other users's) devices while it's still in testing? You and the others will be shouting at the developer and worst case is that he/she calls it quits and we never get the anticipated program. We can't afford to lose any developers.
You are calling the community members elitist. They are the ones who risk bricking their devices by testing unfinished software (and the ones who likely know how to fix it when it happens). One of the perks is getting to try software before it's actually released to the public!
On a separate note, these "elitist" community-members also realize that telling you is a lot more work than it seems at first. You'll likely screw up your device sooner or later and perhaps they would be willing to help you screw it up, but no one is ready to help you fix it if you're unwilling to research stuff yourself and just ***** and moan about it instead.
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I am the only one among my friends, family and work colleagues who know about the N900.
It was kinda cool demoing the multi tasking to my friends