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2010-09-14
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Yeah you and southwalesboy make a good point. Its not healthy to have one OS dominate the market. For now iPhone and Blackberry (sort of!) are keeping up but I don't know what happens when one of the wins the race (and my prediction is Android). At least for now, if all phones battle in the Android market, it means they can only outdo eachother on hardware and UI which is great as there are some amazing new phones (and slates/tablets) coming out.
Why is that scary? If you were to talk to anybody deep in the camp of any other phone or OS, they all want their platform of choice to be the definitive winner.
Ask the Linux fan. They want everybody to switch to Linux. Or ask the Mac fan... they sure as hell want everybody to switch to OS X.
The move to monolithic groups controlling damn near everything - whether it's anarchy, full-blown submission, or kowtowing to a new master next week... the want for to be accepted by others is just plain human.
With that said, I once thought I'd love to see Nokia produce an Android phone. It would be one of the best built Android phones out there. But now? Not so much.
I fear what they'd do to the UI. Or to the Android Market.
Also, I am not an Android fanboy, I simply don't like iPhones, Nokia have lost and Blackberry is boring. I'd love to see a Linux platform become a major player but it seems to late to enter the game as they will always be killed by the larger app stores
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2010-09-14
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when in doubt, use a car analogy...here goes
maemo/now meego, is akin to the racing technology of cars; it is a place to test and field trial cutting edge and sometimes wacky ideas to try to get the most out of what is available. Eventually, many of the features that we here have enjoyed in maemo since 2006 or so(and linux in general) will filter down into a mass market device in some reduced form, just as a race car crew may have first pioneered the use of some kind of crazy suspension, but then it finally was adaptable to mass market and better. While the racers were perfecting the suspension it sure was a rough ride sometimes
Just as with cars, this is acceptable to some people who might be mechanics or gearheads, you may suffer the rough ride if you appreciate what your cornering force is and know that you have the ability to tweak it to your hearts desire.
Anyway, Symbian is currently the mass market OS for Nokia and extremely suitable for most of the world apparently.
maemo/now meego, is akin to the racing technology of cars; it is a place to test and field trial cutting edge and sometimes wacky ideas to try to get the most out of what is available. Eventually, many of the features that we here have enjoyed in maemo since 2006 or so(and linux in general) will filter down into a mass market device in some reduced form, just as a race car crew may have first pioneered the use of some kind of crazy suspension, but then it finally was adaptable to mass market and better. While the racers were perfecting the suspension it sure was a rough ride sometimes
Just as with cars, this is acceptable to some people who might be mechanics or gearheads, you may suffer the rough ride if you appreciate what your cornering force is and know that you have the ability to tweak it to your hearts desire.
Anyway, Symbian is currently the mass market OS for Nokia and extremely suitable for most of the world apparently.
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2010-09-14
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#35
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Originally Posted by Texrat
The really good thing about these threads is that they provide lots of learning opportunities.
An army of Orville Reddenbachers couldn't keep up with the popcorn demand.
*Goes to make Wikipedia search for Orville Reddenbacher*
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2010-09-14
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#36
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Well, apparently, despite all the Anssi worship around here, in 2007 he was intent on copying the iphone
Anssi disagrees. He still thinks Nokia is number #1...
When pressed during the Q&A about the striking similarity to the little Cupertino device, Anssi Vanjoki -- Nokia's Executive VP & General Manager of Multimedia -- said, "If there is something good in the world then we copy with pride."
I guess maybe this was the n97 or something, but if his intent was really to copy iphone, he did not succeed.
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2010-09-14
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@ earth?
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Originally Posted by AndiThebest
There's plenty on ebay and if you are feeling adventurous get this too?
If my N900 would die, i would buy it again, so, who cares?
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2010-09-14
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Wanting that is fine (it makes you innovate & strive to please your customers).
Why is that scary? If you were to talk to anybody deep in the camp of any other phone or OS, they all want their platform of choice to be the definitive winner.
Achieving it is great for both manufacturer & consumer initially - after all, the product has managed to "please all the people, all the time", or has at the very least beaten the competition to death in a sales & marketing bloodbath.
Howver, it quickly then results in higher margins (so higher retail prices) and poorer support (no viable alternative, so like it or lump it). It breeds complacency, strangles R&D innovation and eventually results in a poorer offering to the customer until some game changing (price/functionality/service wrap) new entry "reboots" the market.
Far better to have several overlapping but distinct offerings, each with sufficient market share to ensure longevity & progress through healthy competition.
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n900: "with power comes responsibility".
If you buy a niche, highly modifiable smartphone and proceed to mess it up by blindly screwing around, don't just blame the phone, also blame yourelf.
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2010-09-14
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Originally Posted by jonin60seconds
That would be MeeGo's role. Maemo was constrained in many ways (one model, one manufacturer, small team), but MeeGo *SHOULD* bring all that stuff you miss from Maemo at the scale of (at least) Android, but without being limited to a single class of devices.
No I don't think the N900 should be an Android device, I really loved the idea of Maemo when it was launched. My argument is its too little too late. Nokia needs to build a new Android device if they want to compete in the smart phone market.
A lot of people are saying the N900 isn't for me which in retrospect is probably true. But, I am quite technically proficient but there are times that this phone feel beyond even my abilities.
Commercially (Nokia is in the business of seller lots of phones) it doesn't make sense to create a top spec smart phone for a niche audience. I remember the hype when it was launched (which is why I got it) and they will definitely pitching it at the top of the market with the iPhones and the Androids. What is the point of a smart phone that only a tiny few people will use. The economies of scale wont add up.
PS. One tiny remark - Maemo was born loong before iOS and Android - not as a response to them (the N800 was already out when the iPhone was released and the N810 was released waaay before the first Android). If anything, the shame is that THAT advantage (especially considering the newly-rediscovered-by-Apple tablet market) was not capitalized upon.
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2010-09-14
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Originally Posted by didymos
No. Wrong. Only way to measure if product has failed is to see it sales and feedback from device owners. Only one who sees these statistics is the seller itself. So you can only make vagues guesses how well something has succeed. And of course the problem itself is that how to measure and what is the scale itself.
Seriously?
As you may have noticed, user experience is a very subjective thing. If someone feels that the product has failed, your attempts to show how good the device is, are in vain; the product has failed.
If you try to make statement about failure then you need shitload of references and statistics from 3rd party sellers. Without those you are just yelling fool who can wear clown suit (like most of tech. bloggers and commentators in blogs, just bunch of fools who think that their opinion without arguments or references is worth something) :|
Only thing you can say is that device has failed FOR YOU. Big difference!
We all should care, otherwise developing for N900 and for Maemo should be stopped immediately. Either there is no point in developing in anymore since we do not care or, there is no point in developing because Maemo has become as good as it ever can get.
So itīs just different people around here. Sadly Nokia still seems to not completely understand that how it should feed this wonderful community with positive energy. IMO we should have different competitions (had one and it was great, but more Nokia involvement), marketing of different projects here and hacking contests, constantly running different kind of stuff. And also actually headhunting people around here directly, NOT just announcing jobs generally. Also starting little groups like GSC and giving them focus and mission and little pay. All different things to make big cycle to go around.
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Also latest poll from peter at marketing is JUST kind of stuff what we need here. Ask and ALSO PROVIDE some results and how they are going to use them. IT really really makes people at least think that there is some meaning. Motivation motivation motivation. One thing that really troubles me is Brainstorm area that is great invention but it also needs much more input from Nokia. Just someone from Nokia should review some of those and say that WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS and BLAM people will keep on brainstorming and voting. Finally ask users details about some solution or just make statement that re-review in next 2 months etc. But for god sake do not leave them rotten.
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Since Meego, there has been a lot of people put off developing for the n900 as it is even more of a niche device.
I like my n900 and the community has written some great apps for it, but I can't deny that I am looking at the selection and ease of synchronisation my missus gets with her HTC desire, plus some of the apps with envy...
The whole maps issue is a nightmare, I wouldn't mind if I could use google maps, but seeing turn by turn on cheap nokia's that cost a fraction of what I paid for my n900 does make me angry. mass market or not, it is their flagship device..
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