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Is the GSM radio stronger than the WiFi radio both for transmitting and receiving?
 
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Originally Posted by TiagoTiago View Post
Is the GSM radio stronger than the WiFi radio both for transmitting and receiving?
Not necessarily stronger - you get 10mw and 100mw for wifi
and probably the same for GSM

The difference is that wifi is 2400mhz mostly Line of Sight
(think of signals reflected off of walls)
whereas
GSM has a band down at 900mhz which means the signal can
penetrate many more things. like leaves on trees, walls, etc.

I have stood in open areas and used my n900 wifi from
2km to one of our ubiquiti towers (bullet2hp with a 15db omni),
but I needed the 100mW setting to get a reliable connection

Compare that to getting a BTS signal at nearly 50km distance

GSM 900 is orders of magnitude better for getting long-range
communications.
It is looking like it is also orders of magnitude more difficult to hack.

Given the powerful potential in the world of having GSM phones
which could simply talk to each other without paying tribute
to the Telco overlords, it is easy to see why handphone
manufacturers are bribed and threatened away from putting
this simple feature in their handsets.

But hey, if it can be done at all, it could only be done on the n900.
It would be impossible to do it on any kind of Android machine, ever.
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Originally Posted by theonelaw View Post
Not necessarily stronger - you get 10mw and 100mw for wifi and probably the same for GSM

The difference is that wifi is 2400mhz mostly Line of Sight
(think of signals reflected off of walls)
whereas GSM has a band down at 900mhz which means the signal can
penetrate many more things. like leaves on trees, walls, etc.

I have stood in open areas and used my n900 wifi from 2km to one of our ubiquiti towers (bullet2hp with a 15db omni), but I needed the 100mW setting to get a reliable connection

Compare that to getting a BTS signal at nearly 50km distance

GSM 900 is orders of magnitude better for getting long-range communications.
It is looking like it is also orders of magnitude more difficult to hack.

Given the powerful potential in the world of having GSM phones
which could simply talk to each other without paying tribute
to the Telco overlords, it is easy to see why handphone
manufacturers are bribed and threatened away from putting
this simple feature in their handsets.

But hey, if it can be done at all, it could only be done on the n900.
It would be impossible to do it on any kind of Android machine, ever.
One more link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOTO_Talk
 

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Originally Posted by Wikiwide View Post
One more link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOTO_Talk
Now that is what could be extremely useful.

Key points from the page:

... signals are sent directly from one handset to another, without using the cellular network. And it uses the 900 MHz ISM band...

That is what we are after

...The effective range can be in excess of 6 miles, but the frequencies used are line-of-sight and are blocked by structures and vegetation. Practical ranges are usually 1 to 2 miles...

That is possibly due to their use of FHSS

...It uses FHSS technology on the 900 MHz ISM band as an unlicensed transmitter...

And FHSS may not be as good as some other strategies
for dealing with noise and distance.

Depending on the radio we could see better or worse,
but this is definitely what we should be able to do
with the hardware, if it is capable and if we could only find the APIs.

It is for certain in nokia-binaries that this is to be found,
but I am not kitted up to hack into that right now.
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There is hardly any "DRM" out there that can't be beat, why is it taking so long for the blobs in the N900 to be twisted to our will?
 

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