Originally Posted by Estel

SD69, seconding freemangordon's question - are there any procedures specified, when council member(s) disappear, without any sign of life? If there aren't any, maybe we should create some *now*? In my opinion, under current "technological" status, 2 weeks of total absence without any prior warning or even small info like "I get hit by asteroid yesterday, so I'm using cafe/stole/whatever net and I'm going to have my connection repaired in 2 weeks" is enough to "delete" a Council member. Especially, that cadence is only 6 months total. What others thing about that?]

I looked and there are no procedures for replacing absent council members.

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So, let me summary current situation, AIUI. SD69 is one and only Council member left, other pointed their interest into other projects, without any pre- or -post warning. X-Fade have us in a*s, because he is paid by Nokia, and Nokia have us in a*s (as whole, 8mm not talking about certain individuals).

SD69, have I missed or misunderstood something? If no, what about possible ideas to get out of this nasty situation? Despite circumstances, I think (and feel) that Maemo development got quite nice momentum now, and it would be pity to waste that.

My idea - resolving missing council members problem by ending their cadence (giving them a week and another message spam, to give a chance to respond), and "quick" election afterward. Immediately starting process of "gaining independence" from Nokia funds - by creating foundation (probably not under Maemo name, due to trademarks), fundraising, and paying on our own things, that definitely need to be paid-positions. Getting other functions "occupied" by volunteers (this one is de facto realisation of plan took by current council, yet never really started beyond point of brainstorm "what positions we need to have").
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finally getting rid of "teams", that have us in a*s, cause they're not paid by us, and replacing them with people/teams paid by us directly (if necessary), and voluntary counterparts, where applicable.

NEXT: After establishing stable structures, depending or success (or lack of) of fundraising, choose major "milestone" projects, that need to be supported, and doing so by all possible means (not only banner). Where absolutely necessary, consider financial grants/contracts (not necessary huge ones, depend on money raised).

/Estel

Originally Posted by SD69

Nokia (and by extension, Nemein) is not so much interested in helping maemo users anymore.

Originally Posted by lma

I haven't been following things closely, but I thought Nokia was still paying for roughly one full-time person to support maemo.org, has that changed?

I'd like to ask:
* What council members can do?
* Who has permissions for modifing (managing) maemo.org website?
* Who can configure repository.maemo.org?
* Who can "importing packages" into maemo.org/packages interface?
* Who are admins of maemo.org infrastructure?

Originally Posted by SD69

We've asked to quantify the amount of support so that we can prioritize and apportion the time spent on maemo.org. But we've never received a thorough answer.

The contract may not even be so specific as to state X hours or FTEs per month at all; it may just require Nemein to provide support services to maemo.org.

Originally Posted by SD69

Yes, Nokia has a paid contract that is still in place. We've asked to quantify the amount of support so that we can prioritize and apportion the time spent on maemo.org. But we've never received a thorough answer. The contract may not even be so specific as to state X hours or FTEs per month at all; it may just require Nemein to provide support services to maemo.org.


Council only has permissions for its own wiki page, etc. Wikimasters, forum mods, and other high level permissions are selected from the community at large. Nemein controls the maemo.org website and infrastructure, and X-Fade is the person most often responsible for the repos and package promotion.

Originally Posted by pali

Some people from Community (Council?, other person?) should have permissions for community maemo.org parts - e.g. community extras repository.

Why only ONE persion is able to chage something on maemo (e.g. fix broken community repository)?

What if Reggie get hit by the bus tomorrow, with some forum infrastructure critical error day-after-tomorrow? counting on how fast Nokia is acting (and how thoroughly ), we would stay without this form of communication for ~6 months.

SD69, could You - as (one man) Council, i.e. Maemo community representative, arrange some meet-up with reggie (IRC?) and ask him, what is he planning to do, considering our plans? (i.e., should we look for another host, or he is sympathetic to independence plans and would like to support them, if no by only maintaining forum technical part etc.).

Originally Posted by lma

Right. That is, of course, absurd :-(



Well, Nokia/Nemein should clarify that asap. Because if the whole thing is (as it increasingly appears to be) essentially unsupported apart from someone paying the ISP bills, we're all better off migrating elsewhere right now, before it collapses with no one around who knows enough of the setup and/or has access to fix it.