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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Sorry, not gonna work. There are *always* many, sometimes competing applications for the same purpose. It might be not what you're looking for, but "In varietate concordia" is one of the defining characteristics of OSS. The One Killer Application To Rule Them All is certainly a working business model, but not for platforms build around OSS.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by totololo
Good morning guys ! this is my 100th post !!!
I'm very surprised to read here that a lot of members are not so much interested in Maemo for itself and that, for them, it's just a different flavor of Linux.
I just find it very unfair for the people who are developping and maintaining Maemo.
I tried many Linuxes on laptop, notebooks and even on Sharp Zaurus ... and let me tell you that MAEMO IS AMAZING.
Why ?
Because it is really designed for handheld use, and this makes a huge difference in term of :
- power management (crappy on Zaurus, amazing on N8xx)
- ergonomy
- reliability
- snappyness (overall reactivity)
Of course i didn't try Android yet ... but when I read some comments here I have the feeling that sometime we behave like spoiled children.
Really? If I could have RedHat/Centos/ubuntu/ I would take any of those three over maemo. I want real linux, not watered down. Why do you feel bad for the people developing maemo, and please why are we spoiled children.
This is my 2681 post, do I get a congrats too?? Maybe if you were treated like a beta tester for maemo software for three years you may feel differently?
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by luca
It somewhat saddens me that I get thanked for a joke and not for what I think are more useful contributions.
Welcome to the sixties!
I guess I should start trolling more if karma points are the ticket for the next discount program
And, please, don't remove the thanks anyways
BTW, I use joe as a text editor (when I'm using a terminal/ssh session), so to cut'n'paste I actually have to CTRL+K B, move to the end of the block, CTRL+K K, move to the paste position and CTRL+K C........
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2009-05-28
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What is funny about what some are saying on this thread is that what Nokia has been saying about tablets for years, that the screen size of the tablets is fantastic, is suddenly being said to be trivial, picky, and characteristic of a niche product.
You should have been saying that when people where talking about iPods and iTouches, you would have been on their side of the issue, not the side of we who supported tablets.
This is a notable shift in rhetoric. It is alien to what ITT has always stood for. No wonder ITT had to be downplayed. This was not simply a move to make ITT and maemo.org more efficient -- this was a carefully planned move to change course completely while pretending that nothing unusual was going on.
You should have been saying that when people where talking about iPods and iTouches, you would have been on their side of the issue, not the side of we who supported tablets.
This is a notable shift in rhetoric. It is alien to what ITT has always stood for. No wonder ITT had to be downplayed. This was not simply a move to make ITT and maemo.org more efficient -- this was a carefully planned move to change course completely while pretending that nothing unusual was going on.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by totololo
On a good platform there is one default profile and there are profiles with optimized settings made for this to keep the amount of people who need to fine tune their ideal settings to a minimum. The type of screen also matters in that regard (the greasy screens are a bit harder to read from but they work better in the sun; again, sacrifices).
I don't see the point of this discussion about default font & font size.
What is nice with eBook is that you can change these fonts and sizes according to your taste and your eyes. The bigger the screen, the more words you can display, or the bigger fonts you can reasonably use ... and the more comfortable you'll be. And so, eBook reading is a lot more comfortable on our NIT than on iPhone.
Originally Posted by attila77
They exist, but they are hidden from the masses because they don't care about this. If they are not hidden to the masses and the masses are not guided you get a chaotic mess of confusement, or people with too much time figuring out what is best for them. So instead of having an ICQ Messenger, an AIM Messenger, an MSN Messenger, IRC chat, Yahoo Chat you have by default Pidgin and it does all of that reasonably well. If I install Ubuntu Desktop I get Pidgin. Maybe I'd like a dialog when I install Windows, to ask me if I want Mozilla Firefox, Opera or Microsoft Internet Explorer. I wouldn't pick the latter then, and at the very least I want the choice to have applications use something else than MSIE or Trident to render their stuff. And instead of having 100 choices you need to make clear to the customer why your product is better. For example because it contains less fat, or because it has some official label, or some random buzzword.
Sorry, not gonna work. There are *always* many, sometimes competing applications for the same purpose. It might be not what you're looking for, but "In varietate concordia" is one of the defining characteristics of OSS. The One Killer Application To Rule Them All is certainly a working business model, but not for platforms build around OSS.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Boy does this sound like an Apple commercial
They exist, but they are hidden from the masses because they don't care about this. If they are not hidden to the masses and the masses are not guided you get a chaotic mess of confusement, or people with too much time figuring out what is best for them.
So instead of having an ICQ Messenger, an AIM Messenger, an MSN Messenger, IRC chat, Yahoo Chat you have by default Pidgin and it does all of that reasonably well. If I install Ubuntu Desktop I get Pidgin. Maybe I'd like a dialog when I install Windows, to ask me if I want Mozilla Firefox, Opera or Microsoft Internet Explorer. I wouldn't pick the latter then, and at the very least I want the choice to have applications use something else than MSIE or Trident to render their stuff. And instead of having 100 choices you need to make clear to the customer why your product is better. For example because it contains less fat, or because it has some official label, or some random buzzword.
EDIT: The only thing missing is that perhaps application manager does not show the maemo.org ratings and comments for a particular package.
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by geneven
Nokia told us in September 2008 that the term "internet tablet" would not be used any more for a future Maemo 5 device. Of course they didn't say then that there'd be a different form factor. It was more along the lines of "the device can do so much more than just browsing the web, calling it an internet tablet would be misleading."
This was not simply a move to make ITT and maemo.org more efficient -- this was a carefully planned move to change course completely while pretending that nothing unusual was going on.
At that time, of course, hardly anybody expected that it was the "tablet"-part they actually didn't want to continue, not the "internet"-part.
Then, IIRC (and don't rely on me too much, I remember a lot of stuff lately that appears to never have happened), Reggie was told about this and agreed that when there wouldn't be a device marketed as "internet tablet", a forum named internettablettalk doesn't make sense any longer.
So: Yes, all of this was planned because as of September 2008 it was known there wouldn't be any more internet tablets. It's not a wicked plot behind the scenes, it's official and well known.
The only thing that was not known is that they'd not only change the name for marketing reasons, but also the form factor.
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2009-05-28
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Quote: Maybe if you were treated like a beta tester for maemo software for three years you may feel differently?
Now i am beginning to think of one thing since there is only beta softwares on the current diablo devices are they going to use the same on the N900 phone or Fremantle comes with softwares that are not beta?
Is the community going to continue fixing the left overs?
Now i am beginning to think of one thing since there is only beta softwares on the current diablo devices are they going to use the same on the N900 phone or Fremantle comes with softwares that are not beta?
Is the community going to continue fixing the left overs?
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2009-05-28
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Somewhat off the path of discussion....
I wonder if many here are having trouble conceptualizing the size of a 3.5" screen. It sounds really small, but this is an illusion, it is quite adequately sized. To help, consider that it is pretty much the same size as Maemo on the NIT in windowed mode.
For those against the purchase of a n900, I urge you to try using your NIT in windowed mode for a day, to get a feel for the size, and then determining if this is one compromise that you're still unwilling to make.
I'm very interested in hearing the results!
YARR!
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3.5" Corrupt
I wonder if many here are having trouble conceptualizing the size of a 3.5" screen. It sounds really small, but this is an illusion, it is quite adequately sized. To help, consider that it is pretty much the same size as Maemo on the NIT in windowed mode.
For those against the purchase of a n900, I urge you to try using your NIT in windowed mode for a day, to get a feel for the size, and then determining if this is one compromise that you're still unwilling to make.
I'm very interested in hearing the results!
YARR!
}:^)~
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2009-05-28
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Really? If I could have RedHat/Centos/ubuntu/ I would take any of those three over maemo. I want real linux, not watered down. Why do you feel bad for the people developing maemo, and please why are we spoiled children.
This is my 2681 post, do I get a congrats too?? Maybe if you were treated like a beta tester for maemo software for three years you may feel differently?
I never found a handheld device running Linux as smoothly and pleasantly as Maemo on N8xx.
I can understand that you may consider Maemo as a castrated Linux ... maybe you would prefer a device with a "full" Linux and a UI not really usable on small screens, a power management that would give you a generous 2 to 3 hours battery life at best, and most of the numerous applications in the repositories that would be unusable because of display or power issues.
Today, having a very small handheld or even pocketable computer still implies some sacrifices. Maemo is an OS extraordinary well-balanced between size, function, power, ergonomy, battery life ...
By chance, now, if you really need a full linux in a very small device, you can find a UMID and try to install your favorite Linux flavor on it. The user experience would not be the same at all, but it may be more suitable to your needs !
Sorry if the words "spoiled children" hurted you ... i didn't intend to hurt anybody ... but when people whine because they just cannot get what is still impossible to get ... these are the first word that comes to my mind.
Congrats for your 2681th post too !!!
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