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2011-12-31 , 07:09
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#61
totally confuse still as my money not that much to buy two devices, i love my n900, n for some reason higher series n9=maemo6 is better?? or not?? n900 rocks, love it
 
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lol n9 is a bust I really want to like it but it is a dead end device only Nokia to blame for this, I would get it regardless since i was OK with the N900 but no way at the 600$ range these devices need to DO MORE and with BETTER HARDWARE. N900 had the potential but it needed more support more adoption, but it was just a pipe dream. Shame really n900 was a device that was held back, N9 is the same thing as well. Nokia can't even market this in the USA (they are an embarrassment here on the high end tier) These phones like N9 is good, but not $600 good with old hardware inside.

I don't really no what to get in a smartphone anymore, after the N900 I never want to make a disappointing choice again. I am looking for a computer in my pocket really n900 ofcourse was a great candidate, but its shortcomings, leaves me with a semi-satisfied state. Never really tried Android long enough, but it seems to be steadily thriving and maturing, but what i notice from most mobile OS is that the software usually is weak, especially for office like apps or system commands. I want the productivity potential i get from a desktop on a Smartphone! Smartphones should be able to do everything but render video and run advanced games. It really is shocking nothing out there can do as well as a desktop in a form of a smartphone. Maybe in a year or two?
 
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2012-01-01 , 07:49
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#63
Originally Posted by N900MAN View Post
but what i notice from most mobile OS is that the software usually is weak, especially for office like apps or system commands.
I want the productivity potential i get from a desktop on a Smartphone!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80765
 

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Meego is still alive and kicking, it works. It does what it's supposed to do, and it does it well. It looks awesome ! (I would have preferred it if it dint have a windows clone) Most importantly for me, it wont provide information to sneaky companies...
Are you talking about MeeGo, the open-source not-quite-baked product for no particular product... or are you talking about MeeGo, the half-baked Maemo product installed on the N9 that people keep confusing with MeeGo and cooked with a LOT of closed-source? If the latter, how do you know? As it is, history showed us that the N900 was secretly phoning SMS messages to Nokia and hiding it, as you might recall.
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Are you talking about MeeGo, the open-source not-quite-baked product for no particular product... or are you talking about MeeGo, the half-baked Maemo product installed on the N9 that people keep confusing with MeeGo and cooked with a LOT of closed-source? If the latter, how do you know? As it is, history showed us that the N900 was secretly phoning SMS messages to Nokia and hiding it, as you might recall.
History showed us what exactly?

I would consider that a half baked opinion, unless you have even used the device before going on to say half baked?

And while you're talking about openness, can you point me towards the most open OS there is right now on a smartphone in production?

http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/201...oid-to-webkit/
 
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2012-01-01 , 15:59
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when I'm referring to sneaking companies... when you pay for something and along with providing you the service that you paid for, the company that you did business with goes on to spy on you. I would not want to even consider something shipping out of these companies.

http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wirele...indows-phone-7

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...cation-1-.html

http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/01/htc-se...ying-on-users/

It is possible that the implications of carrier IQ might not be as infringing on ones privacy as it's made out to be, but regardless, I would say what ever your reasons, you can't just take my usage data for what ever statistics you want to generate without my consent.

No matter what reasons these companies make, and what ever security their servers claim to have with my data, they still have opened a door to access data on my device and they might not be the only ones able to exploit it.
 
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History showed us what exactly?

I would consider that a half baked opinion, unless you have even used the device before going on to say half baked?

And while you're talking about openness, can you point me towards the most open OS there is right now on a smartphone in production?

http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/201...oid-to-webkit/
I recall that article, I linked to it once in the Epic N9 thread, IIRC there's a newer spin-off.
N.B. it is referring to Vanilla MeeGo, not Maemo6x on the N9 (MeeGo-Harmattan).

I think Dan's point is history has shown us that openness hasn't counted for much so far.
Especially if the conviction's not there from the primary backer/s....
The N900's a similar woeful tale of how much better things could've/should've been.

And overall Maemo6x is definitely a regression openness-wise, particularly for the UX layers.*
Maemo5x is widely known to be more pliable, particularly in the UX area.
AEGIS is slowly but surely becoming less of an issue, but closed UX components remain one.

He's generally on the more negative side of the debate, I'm generally on the more positive.
Despite logic dictating I shouldn't be "sometimes", I remain hopeful that things can evolve.

*At the very least it maintains the status-quo...
If the transition to real meego was allowed to complete (it hardly got started) things would've been different.
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Flash exists
pun intended... I am hoping new android has also COBOL support

e: and also something on topic:
I would say that N950 and lumia 800 are on par as OS smoothness. N950 lags more but I don't have to wait for transitions before I can do something... lumia seems to be more responsive but when using those two next to each other one can clearly see how long the transitions take time... I'd say that the difference is less than a second when one opens 2 stock applications + 1 web page without taking account the time for searching the icons.
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
I recall that article, I linked to it once in the Epic N9 thread, IIRC there's a newer spin-off.
N.B. it is referring to Vanilla MeeGo, not Maemo6x on the N9 (MeeGo-Harmattan).

I think Dan's point is history has shown us that openness hasn't counted for much so far.
Especially if the conviction's not there from the primary backer/s....
The N900's a similar woeful tale of how much better things could've/should've been.

And overall Maemo6x is definitely a regression openness-wise, particularly for the UX layers.*
Maemo5x is widely known to be more pliable, particularly in the UX area.
AEGIS is slowly but surely becoming less of an issue, but closed UX components remain one.

He's generally on the more negative side of the debate, I'm generally on the more positive.
Despite logic dictating I shouldn't be "sometimes", I remain hopeful that things can evolve.

*At the very least it maintains the status-quo...
If the transition to real meego was allowed to complete (it hardly got started) things would've been different.
True unfortunately all too true. So few true open source options left, and what's left is being converted to being closed.

The one thing that I'm truly more concerned about is the snooping.

I have a deep distrust for all things corporate, one thing that will be almost entirely missing from community driven work is that the community does not feel the need to gather intel of any sorts. I believe even in a case where this is required, there will be an open request to the community members to share data. But when it comes to huge companies this decision is made with only the company's future in perspective

For me that distrust makes the choice between the N9 a lot easier. because while I know it's not entirely open source, I still do trust it more than I do proprietary closed source software. especially with community involvement... I may be wrong, but personally between 50% and 40% open source, i would choose 50% and feel better.
 

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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
pun intended... I am hoping new android has also COBOL support

e: and also something on topic:
I would say that N950 and lumia 800 are on par as OS smoothness. N950 lags more but I don't have to wait for transitions before I can do something... lumia seems to be more responsive but when using those two next to each other one can clearly see how long the transitions take time... I'd say that the difference is less than a second when one opens 2 stock applications + 1 web page without taking account the time for searching the icons.
Don't know if you're joking, but posting it anyway:

http://www.mainframecobol.info/2011/...kes-you-think/

www.microfocus.com/visualcobolr3launch

http://adtmag.com/articles/2010/04/2...s-upgrade.aspx
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