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NokiaFanatic is offline NokiaFanatic
2012-07-17 , 15:21
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#741
Originally Posted by specc View Post
Well, as ridiculous as my expectations may seem, that is my expectations for any "alternative" to existing top of the line products. I may go for lower specs, no problems, but then the already existing S40 line of Ashas seems like a much better "alternative". Remember, Jolla is going for a closed device, it will not be open in any sense of the word. Sure they use an OSS core, Mer, but Android is also running on an OSS core.
You need to think beyond Ios and Android, mate! Even though we haven't seen it yet, the future of mobile computing is NOT Android, Ios or any other platform that is so restrictive and closed that it's almost useless. The future of mobile computing is implementing a full OS like Linux that provides existing PC applications natively and then layering things like a dialler, SMS, and camera integration on top of that. Imagine a device with a C/Python/Java compiler? Imagine the power you would have if you could write your own drivers to integrate with hardware, rather than relying on a limited SDK that Apple and Android provide? Even if you are providing a mass market edition of your phone, it wouldn't be hard to provide the same kind of Fischer Price layer over the Linux installation that would give novice users the same simple UX as the likes of Android and Apple. That is the future of mobile computing and I hope that Jolla have enough vision to realise it.
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thedead1440 is offline thedead1440
2012-07-17 , 15:25
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#742
Yes, Lumiaman is in the house...please specc and Lumiaman take it away from here...
 
Lumiaman
2012-07-17 , 15:31
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#743
Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
I'm really tired of the word 'ecosystem'. Everytime I read it i can see Elop's porky face.
People from Jollamobile talk about the ecosystem. It's here to stay until anothe leap in innovation
 
stlpaul is offline stlpaul
2012-07-17 , 15:40
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#744
To me, "ecosystem" is kind of like stock markets. It is based on confidence and speculation more than actual quality of product or company. As a user or as a developer, you want some confidence that the device/platform is worthwhile to invest your time and money, and that it will be supported and enhanced for a long time, there will be more (and compatible!) devices in the future, etc. Basically you want to know the improvements and updates are not going to stop.

As soon as end-of-life is in the sights people start jumping off the ship because speculation that it is no longer a worthwhile investment of time or money. Funny how EOL and ELOP look similar
 
Lumiaman
2012-07-17 , 15:42
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#745
Originally Posted by thedead1440 View Post
Yes, Lumiaman is in the house...please specc and Lumiaman take it away from here...
You need us to keep your irrational exuberance in check
 
specc is offline specc
2012-07-17 , 15:47
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#746
Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
While I don't have strong expectations, it is worth keeping an eye on, because I don't see a better option out there right now.
That is the main problem. Jolla is no alternative. It is just yet another closed system. This means they are competing head to head with every other closed system, Android, iOS, WP, RIM.

This also means that I have to make a choice for ecosystem. Whatever, what I want is an alternative to the closed systems, an open system with real HW. What I don't want is "potential", I am fed up with "potential". So far Jolla has shown nothing of what I want, and a tiny bit of what I don't want (potential).

In that light, the 808 looks kind of cool. No potential, lots of HW, what you get is what you get. The SGS3 also looks kind of cool. And a pureview Lumia WP8 also seems cool.
 
specc is offline specc
2012-07-17 , 15:54
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#747
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic View Post
You need to think beyond Ios and Android, mate! Even though we haven't seen it yet, the future of mobile computing is NOT Android, Ios or any other platform that is so restrictive and closed that it's almost useless. The future of mobile computing is implementing a full OS like Linux that provides existing PC applications natively and then layering things like a dialler, SMS, and camera integration on top of that. Imagine a device with a C/Python/Java compiler? Imagine the power you would have if you could write your own drivers to integrate with hardware, rather than relying on a limited SDK that Apple and Android provide? Even if you are providing a mass market edition of your phone, it wouldn't be hard to provide the same kind of Fischer Price layer over the Linux installation that would give novice users the same simple UX as the likes of Android and Apple. That is the future of mobile computing and I hope that Jolla have enough vision to realise it.
Your vision looks very nice. But if you read the press releases by Jolla, there is nothing of your vision there. They are going to make a phone for the masses running a closed ecosystem.
 
specc is offline specc
2012-07-17 , 15:59
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#748
Originally Posted by thedead1440 View Post
Yes, Lumiaman is in the house...please specc and Lumiaman take it away from here...
We are here to weed out thread Nazis like yourself. And as Lumiaman stated, to keep you from wondering into dreamland.
 
mariusmssj is offline mariusmssj
2012-07-17 , 16:00
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#749
specc it's not fully confirmed it's going to be closed system.

We won't fully know this until the phone is out
 
Fuzzillogic is offline Fuzzillogic
2012-07-17 , 16:03
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#750
Originally Posted by shmerl View Post
Bootloader in ROM is bad for usability, since you can't install any custom OS, can't boot from external storage and etc.
Sure it can. This bootstrapper has 2 functions: be the ultimate and indestructible fall-back for flashing a firmware. And that can be any firmware you want - even the ones that don't work at all . But, if there's no USB connection or something it simply (tries to) start the real bootloader of the firmware.

The mainboard I bought in 1995 had just that: 2KiB of ROM, which was activated by a jumper or key or something and could flash the firmware from a diskette. There was no other interface than that. The videocard wasn't even initialized. Yet that was enough to recover from even a totally zero'd flash RAM. Truly fail-save. And that's what I expect from a phone.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
again medfield has not been tested on a mobileplatform and is a heavy risk for a small player success with an untested cpu.

also I dont want to have 35 year bloated architecture on my devices.
Does it really matter? The first thing current x86 (all of them) do is translate the x86 code into RISC-like microcode. And apparently it doesn't harm absolute performance nor performance/watt by an order of magnitude or more compared to ARM / MIPS / what have you. Sure, ARM might "scale" better to the very low power end of the spectrum, but that's not what we have in our phones.
 
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