Originally Posted by qgil

It's not like that and I'm pretty sure you know it.

What if we all stop playing black-or-white in order to find ways of consensus? This is what living in community is all about.



Yesterday I proposed you to Reggie to become moderator. You can start working in Alternatives and push your proposals from there.





The reorganization of the forum was proposed, discussed and executed publicly at Forum reorg pointing to talk.maemo.org

The same question was asked and discussed recently at no further subforum classification in the Alternatives forum. Anybody interested in the future of the Alternatives forum is encouraged to discuss there.

As you see, in both threads you find consistent reasons for the merge. But things evolve, always. New and better ideas come, things are always open for discussion.



Reggie is the admin and he is the one having permissions to create, move, merge, delete forums. But he doesn't act alone at own will as he follows proposals and discussions and tries to execute what comes out of them.



Sure, but isn't this the situation now. The problem is not about "community requirements" not being heard. The problem is that communities usually come up with conflicting requirements, leading to discussion and hopefully consensus on the decisions to make.

Some community members wanted less forums and some community members wanted more. What to do? You can discuss and agree. Oh well, you can also split and go. It makes sense to try hard at discussing and agreeing first, though.

Some members of the community asked for a simplification of the forum structure, making it more suitable for newcomers and moving away or merging all the subforums that had little activity or maintenance.

KDE is a good example: how many threads and posts have you seen in the last months? Probably not enough to deserve an own forum. Sure, there are some interesting threads and URLs that anybody interestd in putting KDE in their device should be aware of. This is what sticky threads and wiki pages and are made for.

The reality is that even if we are able to create +100 posts a day discussing and we have a dozens of participants over 500 posts, it is being really hard to find volunteers to write a single informative sticky posts, to make good use of tags to offer clever searches and to improve wiki pages.

This is where the meat relies and you don't even need to be a moderador to go and make a difference for the users you want to help.

Originally Posted by qgil

The argument that Nokia would prefer to have the platform hackers separated from the rest doesn't stand. The Maemo platform is open and the devices that come with it are open: being hackable is part of the deal. Maemo SW is supporting explicitely Mer without putting conditions on what is underneath the Maemo 5 API. We haven't stopped anybody to install and promote alternative desktop or entire operating systems. penguinbait, specially you have been supported with easier access to hardware and events for you great hacks, just like any other senior developer in the house.

From a Nokia point of view there is not a huge difference between a user installing Mauku, rotation support, KDE or Android: all of them have crossed the line of the 100% supported software and in a worst case all of them can come back to the factory settings by reflashing.

Note that a single and apparently innocent desktop widget can drain silently the battery. This makes users think there is something wrong with their Nokia devices, they are unhappy and complaining about the wrong thing ("this battery sucks!") and calling Nokia Care. This is the kind of software that we want to keep far from the average end user.

Installing Debian with KDE in a chroot and hav fun with it? No problem since it's clear that the users going that way know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by penguinbait

In fact if someone can provide me a list of threads that used to be in the KDE forum, not just a list of threads with KDE in the title. I would happily go through each one and update the tags. The point is this does not really make things easier to users running these hacks, and it actually makes it more difficult to support.

Originally Posted by gpmartinson

Please don't confuse cracking with hacking. NIT people, of all people, should know the difference.

Originally Posted by penguinbait

I am proposing creating a hackers forum. Run by the user, owned by the users.

To me, it really makes sense, since this siie can concentrate on supported applications and provide a separate place to discuss hacks on the internettablets. Not only does this stem from my dis-satisfaction with the kingdom at the moment. It may just make sense. Then people wont come here thinking somehow that these hacks are safe and work flawlessly because maemo.org is where they learned about them?

I have thrown up a forum site, perhaps not the best choice of words?

Anyway, read the charter, if enough people join I will hand over the keys.

Want to run the show, here's your opportunity.

http://tablethacker.com/forum

Originally Posted by qole

I asked for moderator access back in March.

I will make a more formal request: I would like to be given moderator access to the Alternatives forum.

Originally Posted by penguinbait

So what I am asking is would it be possible to change all the titles of the posts to add KDE: Android: or MER: to the beginning of the post.

I still would like a list of all the old posts so I can get all the tags updated.

Originally Posted by qole

I've been going through all the threads in Alternatives, adding tags (kde, palm, android, debian, deblet, mer, easy debian, etc etc etc) to them. I think this will accomplish what penguinbait wants...

I sorted all of the Alternatives threads by number of posts, descending and I'm working my way down the list.

I can only add 2 tags for threads that aren't mine.

Originally Posted by qgil

Sure it will be possible when you are moderator.

Originally Posted by qgil

Reggie added those [Tags] to the subject of the threads in each subforum. This is the way to know exactly what was there.