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Originally Posted by qgil
Where the money gets allocated would seem to be irrelevant to someone who just wants to be able to port and debug their code to run on your device. I should also note that although I take a great interest in using and filing bug reports for Maemo apps (especially once I use a lot, gpodder), I'm not expecting any such program since I'm not a developer and shouldn't. That being said, I would very much like to see such people get said convenient enticements.
Sorry if I'm being too simplistic, but rooms and discounts both end up being a budget assigned to a cost center.
Just clarifying my interest in that topic and the new device and maemo development.
Originally Posted by qgil
I appear to have some disconnect with your explanation--maybe it was meant to be humorous and I didn't pick up on it. What worked in the previous designs and made them unique and convenient even with one hand, or remaining in your pocket or on the seat tray in the airplane, is now Escheresque?
And yes, we are following and taking part or even the initiative in several discussions about improving the community involvement.
Mixing stylus, D-Pad, stand etc to the mix is more tricky since it's impossible to satisfy the whole community unless you can get an Escher-inspired design.
Originally Posted by qgil
I see a direct link between buying this device and whether it suited the community's interests in the next maemo device. Particularly, I'd like to know if the new device will have better support than the previous generation has had. Will there be an affordable program in place for developers to jump on board, will there be a production run of extra parts (will third parties be licensed and convinced to produce some of the parts themselves?), will there be more opened drivers (my understanding so far is that there's a LOT more openness in Fremantle.. so, I actually feel pretty good about this element of the device so far), etc.
I don't quite see the link between a poll about buying a device and a discussion about community involvement, so I will stop it here.
I mean.. the new device is more than the plastic, aluminum and silicon that constitutes the thing itself. A lot of that will influence whether the device will be worthwhile to purchase.
I hope I've made myself more lucent for this discussion. I just hope that we'll see a better supported Linux device come out of all this. My apologies for ranting, as I tend to do.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by christexaport
The D-pad is also particularly handy when you want to pause/play a podcast while the device is still in your pocket, without having to pull it out--you can feel for the center button and in one very fluid gesture, pause. MUCH better than a touchscreen interface any day. Then there's...
I like as many controls as possible myself, and don't really like touch devices, to be honest, so I can feel wanting a dpad, but why specifically does the community need one on this mythical "N800 refresh"? I had the N97, and rarely used the Dpad or keypad, so I don't see what the deal is.
Originally Posted by Texrat
That. I prefer to avoid touching the screen as much as possible, too. If only the bluetooth headset's controls could actually play/pause too--hell, I wouldn't even need to feel around the pocket.. but I'd STILL want the D-pad. There's MANY times when the precision of a D-pad can't be replaced.
There are numerous valid reasons. Mine had to do with touchscreen wear. I'd rather relieve the touchscreen of heavy usage that D-pads endure (such as intense gaming).
Originally Posted by zerojay
Let's just not forget the old blood. There's a reason why the community is already here--there was an audience for the devices as they were already designed. Let's not ignore that some things were done right and remember that it is, in fact, better to keep your customers than to keep trying to attract new ones.
New blood is good blood. If even 5% of new users decide to sign up here and decide to give back to the community in one form or another, be it through programming, support, bug fixes, whatever... the community will be in great shape.
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2009-08-26
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Other: I'd probably buy it if the price was reasonable, but I'd have to be sure I could afford a data plan, because this would be my next phone (yes, I know it IS a phone, but I'm emphasizing that I wouldn't be able to buy a new tablet (e.g. RX-51 without a phone plan at all) and a phone - and I'll need a new phone by next year anyway). And that all depends on how university co-op jobs turn out in the next year or so.
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2009-08-26
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Just to precise :
My answer was just to answer to the poll.
So i will surelly bought one if i got discount code, else i ll surely buy it later ... because i didn t have so much money to expense
WHAT WE KNOW : That there will be a n900
WHAT IS RUMOR : THE PRICE
And if i do dev for Maemo, is because, i like the hardware running it, the os and the fact that is FOSS. And not getting a discounted code will not prevent me to make application for Maemo.
So clearly i would recommend you to wait the announce before to post negative comment.
This is like this post we didn t have yet specs of the device.
My answer was just to answer to the poll.
So i will surelly bought one if i got discount code, else i ll surely buy it later ... because i didn t have so much money to expense
WHAT WE KNOW : That there will be a n900
WHAT IS RUMOR : THE PRICE
And if i do dev for Maemo, is because, i like the hardware running it, the os and the fact that is FOSS. And not getting a discounted code will not prevent me to make application for Maemo.
So clearly i would recommend you to wait the announce before to post negative comment.
This is like this post we didn t have yet specs of the device.
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2009-08-26
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And for the record, I am for developer discounts. I know it would help immensely to get the device in as many peoples hands as possible as quickly as possible. In fact it would probably help to justify a N800 refresh as well if there is a surge in popularity ala iphone/itouch.
I just don't think it would be the end of the community, or the failure of the N900 because Nokia didn't have a developer discount program.
I just don't think it would be the end of the community, or the failure of the N900 because Nokia didn't have a developer discount program.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by Khertan
Soooo, you're suggesting only POSITIVE comments? Nearly everybody's opinion about whether they would or wouldn't buy this device is based in speculation--even when you're just talking about the price. I have no idea what it'll cost or what the deal with the carrier (or even whether there will be an exclusive carrier) will be. I have no clue yet and, I'm reasonably certain, neither are you. I'm not sure that making this a 'positive only' spin doctoring thread will really help the discussion along, though.
So clearly i would recommend you to wait the announce before to post negative comment.
This is like this post we didn t have yet specs of the device.
If it'll make you feel any better, I'll toss a little generous token of positive thinking your way: Maybe.. just maybe, I might be surprisingly receptive after I've learned more about it and its wireless plans once it's out and I might actually buy it someday. Unlikely.. but you don't know. Hence, speculation.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Not the end... but I fear the political fallout...
I just don't think it would be the end of the community, or the failure of the N900 because Nokia didn't have a developer discount program.
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2009-08-26
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I'm not buying it... for a variety of reasons the first being: There is nothing wrong with my N800. When I saw an N810 for $150 I jumped at buying it just for the luxury of leaving one tablet in the car. What would I do with these two perfectly good tablets?
Reason number 2. I already bought the N800 at full MSRP but it was over a year before a bug I reported that prevented me from tethering to my phone was corrected in the kernel by Nokia. I'm sure Nokia has poured a lot of resources into this new device but the full MSRP for the N900 is reported to be almost twice what I paid for the N800. I know it's irrational but to me, that's twice the exposure if I have to wait another year after I purchase it to use this device as it is intended.
Number 4. The community Reggie founded, Internet Tablet Talk helped me overcome the initial deficits of the N800, usually many months or multiple upgrades before Nokia responded. In the case of the on screen app lock solution and many others, Nokia never did respond. Solutions did come from iTT members though but alas, iTT is no more. (heavy sigh). I'm afraid that many of the active members that have helped grow this community in the past will not be able to afford the next device. Many of those who can, won't be able to afford the next harmatten device coming shortly after. As someone posted recently: an OS is a tool, not a dang religion... I am loyal to the community and not the device or OS, I fear that the continuity of this community will continue to degrade until all we have left are factions loyal to a device or an operating system.
5. With a very capable tablet and a cell phone (and carrier) tied to my employment, I'm thinkin' the Nokia Booklet 3G would better serve my needs and replace the PITA laptop and various chargers that I have to lug with me if I want to continue working on digitally stored documents and media while I'm away from home.
Also: With all these 3G capable devices coming to market in the North America, something tells me we will soon see a bucket load of pay as you go 3G data service providers here. It might pay to let the dust settle a bit before committing to a new device.
When I saw an N810 for $150 I jumped at buying it just for the luxury of leaving one tablet in the car. What would I do with these two perfectly good tablets?Reason number 2. I already bought the N800 at full MSRP but it was over a year before a bug I reported that prevented me from tethering to my phone was corrected in the kernel by Nokia. I'm sure Nokia has poured a lot of resources into this new device but the full MSRP for the N900 is reported to be almost twice what I paid for the N800. I know it's irrational but to me, that's twice the exposure if I have to wait another year after I purchase it to use this device as it is intended.
Number 4. The community Reggie founded, Internet Tablet Talk helped me overcome the initial deficits of the N800, usually many months or multiple upgrades before Nokia responded. In the case of the on screen app lock solution and many others, Nokia never did respond. Solutions did come from iTT members though but alas, iTT is no more. (heavy sigh). I'm afraid that many of the active members that have helped grow this community in the past will not be able to afford the next device. Many of those who can, won't be able to afford the next harmatten device coming shortly after. As someone posted recently: an OS is a tool, not a dang religion... I am loyal to the community and not the device or OS, I fear that the continuity of this community will continue to degrade until all we have left are factions loyal to a device or an operating system.
5. With a very capable tablet and a cell phone (and carrier) tied to my employment, I'm thinkin' the Nokia Booklet 3G would better serve my needs and replace the PITA laptop and various chargers that I have to lug with me if I want to continue working on digitally stored documents and media while I'm away from home.
Also: With all these 3G capable devices coming to market in the North America, something tells me we will soon see a bucket load of pay as you go 3G data service providers here. It might pay to let the dust settle a bit before committing to a new device.
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I got essentially a voucher: "get any phone you like". Problem is that I haven't found one yet. (N97 was in my scope but they managed to screw that up.) So, yes. N900 will be my next phone.
Yes, judging from the reaction to the N900 on several tech sites, I think we'll see a lot of new blood.
I don't think any of the core members of the community (whomever you consider that to be) would leave if they couldn't have their hands on the Fremantle device, but like I said... it's hard to stay motivated to work on it when you can't get the device in your hands and not being able to see what's going on with your own eyes makes development that much harder.
Of course, that's exactly what people working on Fremantle apps are doing right at this precise moment... but the excitement is in the air still. A lot of people just simply get bored of using their gadgets after a while for some reason... so I can see some developers that can't afford the new device leaving the tablets behind after a little while. I don't think it'll be a huge mass exodus by any means, however.
New blood is good blood. If even 5% of new users decide to sign up here and decide to give back to the community in one form or another, be it through programming, support, bug fixes, whatever... the community will be in great shape.
I can't pretend I can speak for everyone in the community, but I can tell you that I don't do what I do (whatever that is) because I expect some form of payment from Nokia. I do it because I believe in the devices and the people around them.