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Some of the posts here touch on the question of leadership,
and I think that must be part of a solution.

I believe in Paulkoan's idea:
Originally Posted by paulkoan View Post
Wouldn't it be simpler to create a subforum and delegate management and moderation of it to those who would form this new forum anyway?

ITt had a captain, like a ship.
Pro: Quick and flexible response to problems.
Con: Difficult to manage when it grows very large.

When ITt and maemo.org joined, some streamlining and simplifying was done,
otherwise integrating them would probably have become unwieldy.
And a more democratic leadership was chosen.

Now that maemo.org is stabilizing and the different parts are working and becoming filled with content,
perhaps it is time to
think back and consider if anything important was lost in the process.
Penguinbait certainly seems to have a point there.
(Also when he mentions that projects handling dependancies in a somewhat unorthodox way or having 300 Mb tarballs would have a hard time to fit in maemo.org's standard procedures.)

The kind of forum I think PB is looking for works much better, I believe,
under a captain or a troika or something similar (benevolent, of course),
than under democratic leadership.
(Just as an institution for scientific research needs a dedicated and enthusiastic leader.)
Remember C. N. Parkinson's (the one with P:n's law) distinction between a committee (7 or less) and a conference (anything larger):
A committee can produce alternatives and decide, a conference can only decide between presented alternatives.

>> I think TALK should have a subset, let's say "Hacker's Corner",
>> managed locally
>> and rather (but not wholly) independant of the community leadership.

This could restore the functions PB is looking for without leading to fragmentation.
It's theme could be slightly but obviously different. This together with the name and suitable warnings in stickie threads would warn beginners and more advanced beginners to beware.
(Also, a new Linux user - like me - soon has to learn that this world has it's dangers.
Someone, I forget who, said in a post to a "newbie": "Linux is a complicated beast.")
The TALK search engine might be set by default to exclude "Hackers Corner" and possibly have a toggle to include it for advanced users.
(Or search results from "Hacker's Corner" could be marked with a Danger Sign.)
A "Hacker's repository" (possibly with a future "devel" section) would seem to be needed too.

Much of this has been said, but mostly without considering the need for a different kind of leadership in a "Hacker's Corner" than in the forum as a whole.

Just a non-programmer's two (and a half) cents.


Some arguments pointing in a similar direction:
Originally Posted by GeraldKo View Post
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One problem with starting a hackers' forum, is that there is a continuum from hackers to newbies. I see myself in-between, albeit much closer to the newbie side since I don't code. I'm willing to screw around, and I've read enough here that I have a better-than-most understanding of the Tablets. I fear that if there were an isolated hackers' forum I would lose out on my window into the hacker side of things.
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Something I try to do is relieve some of the forum heavyweights from the burden of answering the questions that are below their abilities. There are other forum participants, such as bunanson, who perform this function most generously. In this way, the forum is like a tribal village, where the older children take care of the infants and the adults train the older children in the more sophisticated aspects of the culture.

So, from the point of view of an older child here, I'd rather not see the fragmentation. OTOH, if the elders think they really need a place to be alone without interference from the kids, who am I to say otherwise?
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Originally Posted by TrueJournals View Post
I think one of the problems that happened with the move to talk.maemo.org was reorganizing the forums. I realize that the goal of removing subforums was to make it simpler, and less confusing, but I think this made everything harder to follow.

I shouldn't have to read through a 20 page thread just to figure out some small problem I'm having with Mer. Tablet Hacker would create what we had before: more forums. This, to me, seems better than less forums. There should be more forums and more threads to split up issues, to make things easier to find, IMO.
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Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
http://tablethacker.com/forum/
I think I've been banned from penguinbait's new forum after just one post!
 
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No Itt's gone. The intent was to see if there was support for this. I have gotten about 10 members., who have for the most part been pretty quiet. Don't get me wrong, they came over and showed support for it, but ultimately 10 people joining is not going to cut it. I have gone through the post and added tags to them all [KDE] anyway to try to be more usable. New hardware will come, Alternatives will take off and sub-forums will return. So best at this point do some cleanup and wait for the community to request them again. Which should be pretty easy to do with relevant tags.

If I have made a bad decision, I am sure that I will be told. If everyone in alternatives, or the majority doesn't want to do something, then it would just fragment the community, with some here and some there.

I am not against a separate place for hackings, but thats what alternatives is. Would I like to have sub-forums sure, will I keep saying that until someone listen's. But until they do we have to make do with what we have, which means house cleaning and tag's, and making some canned searches to show you what you want to see.

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Just a (slightly off topic) question:
Is the term "Internet Tablet" exclusive for Nokia/Maemo devices?
Where do we talk about devices that could fill the niche for people who don't want to talk about phones?
 
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