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#71
Sick of hearing about WIndows.

On a lighter note, I wonder how long it will take before Skype starts being referred to as Shyte...

Oh, fancy that, it looks like round about now.
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#72
Originally Posted by richwhite View Post
I agree that WP7 shouldn't be lacking the features it is, i'm hoping that Nokia will correct this though considering that it doesn't skimp on its own features.

You're absolutely right MS is trying to buy its way in, it has always bullied its way to the top - but what's the competition anyway? Apple takes existing stuff, claims it as its own and then sells, the iPhone isn't popular on tech merit but image and advertising. Google is flooding the market making it hard not to buy an Android - I went to Best Buy the other day and of 15 phones, 13 were Android and 1 was iPhone and 1 WP7.

I don't really agree with MS monopolising the tech industry, but specifically from a consumer standpoint I can see the attraction of the ecosystem - having Skype work on XBox? Very nice. There is plenty of tech merit going for WP7, and having used all 3, i would take it over Android or iOS any day of the week - and that's just with the first update.
Did not know that there is Best Buy in the Queen's country

Anyway, I think Google was able to 'flood' the market because of the total cost of entry(for the handset developer) is relative low; most likely better terms(ie. vs. business agreement or terms with MS) and it is more 'free' and open(one would argue the degree of 'freedom' and 'openness'; but it is definitely way better than MS).

For Apple, we should give credit where they have packaged everything together to build a well polish, easy-to-use, close to fool-proof product. It is true that they are NOT the first to create a tablet/smartphone; but theirs ixxx were the most user/consumer-friendly at the time of introduction. One may not like the 'closed' nature of the platform and paying-for-everything nature of it. Customers like what they see and that is the end of the story. It true that there are lots of marketing and etc to help to establish the image and all. But as the saying goes: if it were a pig, putting lips-stick on it would not change the picture. Apple's ixxxx are by no means pigs.

I don't think Nokia has much saying in what WP7 can or can't do. They would just make their handset to work with WP7; there would be some minor adjustment here and there. In my view, MS is essentially the master of this Nokia-MS relationship; not the other way around(ie. money flows from MS to Nokia). You would bet that with most suggestions make by Nokia to the O/S group in MS, it will be resisted/looked down or dismissed out right whether there is merit or not. Have you ever trying to tell your boss that s/he is wrong

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by cheve View Post
Did not know that there is Best Buy in the Queen's country

Anyway, I think Google was able to 'flood' the market because of the total cost of entry(for the handset developer) is relative low; most likely better terms(ie. vs. business agreement or terms with MS) and it is more 'free' and open(one would argue the degree of 'freedom' and 'openness'; but it is definitely way better than MS).

For Apple, we should give credit where they have packaged everything together to build a well polish, easy-to-use, close to fool-proof product. It is true that they are NOT the first to create a tablet/smartphone; but theirs ixxx were the most user/consumer-friendly at the time of introduction. One may not like the 'closed' nature of the platform and paying-for-everything nature of it. Customers like what they see and that is the end of the story. It true that there are lots of marketing and etc to help to establish the image and all. But as the saying goes: if it were a pig, putting lips-stick on it would not change the picture. Apple's ixxxx are by no means pigs.

I don't think Nokia has much saying in what WP7 can or can't do. They would just make their handset to work with WP7; there would be some minor adjustment here and there. In my view, MS is essentially the master of this Nokia-MS relationship; not the other way around(ie. money flows from MS to Nokia). You would bet that with most suggestions make by Nokia to the O/S group in MS, it will be resisted/looked down or dismissed out right whether there is merit or not. Have you ever trying to tell your boss that s/he is wrong

Cheers,
Don't think there is a Best Buy there, i'm in America at the moment.

As for iPhone, yes they are nice products but more visually than productively - they do a lot, of course, but there's also a lot they don't do that they frankly should - i'm not talking about 'but i like FOSS and it's closed so it sucks', i mean actual tasks it cannot do.

Part of the MS/Nokia deal is that Nokia can make changes to the OS if they want to, whereas other manufacturers can't. Now, i don't know how much it's allowed to change, whether it's just the UI or saying 'hey, Balmer, WP7 needs bluetooth transfer capability and a backup function'. I would have thought that as MS never made it in the mobile market and Nokia is the largest manufacturer in the world, it would be wise to take some suggestions seriously
 
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#74
Originally Posted by richwhite View Post
Don't think there is a Best Buy there, i'm in America at the moment.
Yes there are, they stated opening them last year, last I checked they'd opened 6, but they may have a few more now.
 
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#75
Originally Posted by PMaff View Post
Well, on my Linux desktop the drivers are also made by
3rd parties. Software too.
Still the Linux OS does not get Kernel Panics all the time if the
3rd party stuff crashes.
Ive had a lot more problems with Linux than Windows. It doesnt mean im going to stop using linux and start telling everyone linux sucks.

Originally Posted by Daneel View Post
Why not? I just need to plug keyboard, mouse and monitor in my tablet, easy peasy.
Congratulations, you just made yourself a desktop.
 
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#76
Originally Posted by retsaw View Post
Yes there are, they stated opening them last year, last I checked they'd opened 6, but they may have a few more now.
Ah ok thanks. I knew there was a bestbuy.co.uk and the guy in store here told me there were some in the UK but i've never seen any
 
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#77
Originally Posted by azkay View Post
Congratulations, you just made yourself a desktop.
Haha, exactly my point! The idea that tablets will replace desktops by using them as we use desktops is so redundant. In fact, it's quite simply a laptop, with reduced power and functionality. At this point in time tablets can't even replace netbooks, let alone laptops and desktops. I can just imagine those hardcore gamers ditching the Alienware and getting an iPad or Galaxy Tab. Even for me, it's a dumb idea - i couldn't write or edit a book and run Quickbooks and Thunderbird and Firefox and Skype all at the same time on a tablet,and if i could it would be so painful. How long would it take to write a book on a touchscreen? Android's half-arsed multitasking can't handle the above tasks and neither can iOS, and even with desktop power to enable it we'd then have poorer battery life, and the idea of such heavy tasks without a keyboard, ugh, no. Most people here use the N900 and want a physical keyboard, so we want it on a phone but are supposed to swallow we won't need it on a computer?

Tablets are good for social media and entertainment, and certain business functions with apps, that's it. If you want one to replace a desktop, you either want a laptop or don't use a desktop for anything more than the most basic tasks.
 
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#78
Originally Posted by Daneel View Post
FOSS zealots and security freaks might not approvre of cloud(i don't approve either) but lots of companies and the average joe do.
Cloud is just one alternative anyway..
I think FOSS /Open would be the most important element for constructing 'clouds'; that is absolute open standards, api and all that. Otherwise, your own data and the ability to see/use the data(ie. the app) can be lock-in for the specific "cloud".

Security wise, if things are implement in FOSS and done in open, I have much more confident and would not worried about. With source codes available for examination, this will cut down all holes left behind by the security-by-obfuscations, 'clever'-shortcuts, careless coding practices and etc.

cheers,
 
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#79
Originally Posted by richwhite View Post
Haha, exactly my point! The idea that tablets will replace desktops by using them as we use desktops is so redundant. In fact, it's quite simply a laptop, with reduced power and functionality. At this point in time tablets can't even replace netbooks, let alone laptops and desktops. I can just imagine those hardcore gamers ditching the Alienware and getting an iPad or Galaxy Tab. Even for me, it's a dumb idea - i couldn't write or edit a book and run Quickbooks and Thunderbird and Firefox and Skype all at the same time on a tablet,and if i could it would be so painful. How long would it take to write a book on a touchscreen? Android's half-arsed multitasking can't handle the above tasks and neither can iOS, and even with desktop power to enable it we'd then have poorer battery life, and the idea of such heavy tasks without a keyboard, ugh, no. Most people here use the N900 and want a physical keyboard, so we want it on a phone but are supposed to swallow we won't need it on a computer?

Tablets are good for social media and entertainment, and certain business functions with apps, that's it. If you want one to replace a desktop, you either want a laptop or don't use a desktop for anything more than the most basic tasks.
Just thinking outside of the box here... why one must use keyboard to write a book/essay. Why not do it with a tablet(of sufficient power) using voice dictation?

OTOH, due to various reasons, current generation of tablet/smartphone are mostly for content consumption rather than content creation.

cheers,

ps:checkout this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...56&postcount=9, for turning an Android tablet into a ubuntu-notetop/desktop

Last edited by cheve; 2011-05-13 at 03:25.
 
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#80
Originally Posted by cheve View Post
...
OTOH, due to various reasons, current generation of tablet/smartphone are mostly for content consumption rather than content creation.

...
Mostly true except for the N900 and:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50811
;-)
 
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