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2011-06-14
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#142
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Originally Posted by kanishou
Ecosystems, aka exclusive platforms intended for lock in, are the responsibility of whatever vendor uses MeeGo.
There is a problem with that though: What is the ecosystem?
It is easy to say that MeeGo apps should run on any MeeGo OS, no matter what the UI layer is. But in practice, that just won't work. If the UI layer is too different, apps have to be tweaked towards the specific product, and can't just be released for "MeeGo".
It is still not clear to me at all how this problem is going to be solved. You want to be able to say "this is a FOO phone and you can run FOO apps on it" (and expect a consistent, competitive user experience). MeeGo, the way it is structured and presented now, does not really provide this kind of ecosystem.
The next "MeeGo" device is going to be an awesome product. But I am just not sure what exactly the value and purpose of "MeeGo" is in the process.
At least with Maemo, we had a clear identity. Everything since then is almost a blur to me, and I think it's exactly this lack of clarity which was causing Nokia a lot of harm, and which Elop has been set out to eliminate.
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2011-06-14
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#143
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Originally Posted by tkatchev
As I see it ecosystems exist in the real along with businesses, innovation and other commercial activities. MeeGo exists in an utopian and imaginary world where food on the table comes falling from heaven.
There is a problem with that though: What is the ecosystem? It is easy to say that MeeGo apps should run on any MeeGo OS, no matter what the UI layer is. But in practice, that just won't work.
Yes, it will work.
It's actually quite trivial from a technical standpoint. The reason it hasn't been done before is because vendors want to lock you into their ******** 'ecosystems'.
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2011-06-14
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#144
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Originally Posted by lorul2
Your comments like "REAL MODERATOR" are insulting and unnecessary so at first I chose to ignore that part.
Read the second part...
and before you say that doesn't answer your question let me answer your question with a question..
The OP's question has already been answered, and this thread has "de-volved" into ranting nonsense. What is the purpose of this threadf?!
BTW: You can always merge it with the 6 month old threads that say where is Meego?
We are not very controlling here. Keeping a thread on topic is certainly a goal, but we try to be tolerant and let threads "breathe" as well. "Is MeeGo Dead for Nokia" is a very broad question and while some dialog has deviated I don't see a problem. Then again, I don't moderate this section but it seems whoever does either agrees with me or there have not been any actionable reports.
Bottom line, if you're looking for restrictive, overbearing, anal-retentive moderation, this is not the place. Some posters will disagree but I think the overall actions by moderators back me up on that.
Now back to our irregularly-scheduled on-again-off-again topical rants...
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2011-06-14
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#145
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Originally Posted by tkatchev
From a designer's point of view, no it won't work. UI differences have to be taken into account or you set yourself up for a big failure and disappointed users. Even Android is struggling with that, and it's fragmentation is minimal to what we are talking about here.
There is a problem with that though: What is the ecosystem? It is easy to say that MeeGo apps should run on any MeeGo OS, no matter what the UI layer is. But in practice, that just won't work.
Yes, it will work.
It's actually quite trivial from a technical standpoint. The reason it hasn't been done before is because vendors want to lock you into their ******** 'ecosystems'.
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2011-06-14
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#146
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#meego-meeting: Community Office Meeting
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Meeting summary
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Community Office Roles and Proposed Nominations for TSG - presented by Dawn Foster (DawnFoster, 14:00:46)
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Quim Gil has asked to step down from the community office. He's been my Community Office co-lead and CO marketing coordinator since I joined MeeGo, and I am sad to see him stepping out of this role. The good news is that he will continue to be involved in MeeGo. (DawnFoster, 14:01:21)
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2011-06-14
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#147
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Originally Posted by kanishou
You state this as if it's a poorly understood problem. The nice thing is that with QML, it's not nearly that hard to create UIs for smartphones, tablets, and netbooks, then include all of them in one application. It's not a hard or intractable problem. With good tools it's nowhere near that difficult.
From a designer's point of view, no it won't work. UI differences have to be taken into account or you set yourself up for a big failure and disappointed users.
Even Android is struggling with that, and it's fragmentation is minimal to what we are talking about here.
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2011-06-14
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#148
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wnarone, that makes sense, but only if you don't call the actual OS MeeGo. This is not how it's done right now, so I maintain that it hasn't been completely thought through. This is not unsolvable, but will require some vision and possibly more difficult decisions. Something I would have wished the previous administration had taken care of long ago.
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2011-06-14
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#149
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Originally Posted by wmarone
I'm not talking about the differences between phones and netbooks though, but between different phone UI's. It has to be made clear wether an application is designed for the user's particular instance of meego for handsets to avoid disappointment. That is quite possible of course, but also runs the risk of increased fragmentation.
You state this as if it's a poorly understood problem. The nice thing is that with QML, it's not nearly that hard to create UIs for smartphones, tablets, and netbooks, then include all of them in one application. It's not a hard or intractable problem. With good tools it's nowhere near that difficult.
Android has a problem in that it was never designed for tablets, and is being migrated that way.
This could only be avoided, if all implementors of a neego handset UX would stick to the same UI paradigms, which seems unlikely at this point.
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2011-06-14
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Originally Posted by Texrat
First: Of all my earlier comment about "REAL MODERATOR(S)" was not specifically targeted at anyone, I was talking about an over all experience at the site vs. other sites.
Your comments like "REAL MODERATOR" are insulting and unnecessary so at first I chose to ignore that part.
We are not very controlling here. Keeping a thread on topic is certainly a goal, but we try to be tolerant and let threads "breathe" as well. "Is MeeGo Dead for Nokia" is a very broad question and while some dialog has deviated I don't see a problem. Then again, I don't moderate this section but it seems whoever does either agrees with me or there have not been any actionable reports.
Bottom line, if you're looking for restrictive, overbearing, anal-retentive moderation, this is not the place. Some posters will disagree but I think the overall actions by moderators back me up on that.
Now back to our irregularly-scheduled on-again-off-again topical rants...
Second: I am the last person to ever preach for any "Heavy-handed" moderation of personal opinions or views on any topic. I am a firm believer in FREEDOM; except when it harms others. Which again leads me to my point, this isn't a free honest debate of opposing views. This is "Nokia Sucks because"... "No they don't because".... and in the end someone gets frustrated and gives up because the arguement is going in circles.
Lastly: My short time here at the site has been spent, learning, helping, and enjoying the fact that this 24 hour community helps strengthen the value of "EVERYONES" Nokia products. I just don't see the value of repeatedly debating any shortcoming of those products, over, and over, and over again...
I guess we just have to agree to disagree on the "lattitude" that threads like this get.
BTW: I wouldn't mind taking you up on your challenge,
A question/Poll to all of us at Maemo.org. Would you like to see more controlling Moderation of the site, or is it fine the way it is?
What do you think?
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