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Originally Posted by ericsson
It is a problem, really. Mostly if you want actual warranty support or a remotely reasonable price instead of dealing with a middleman of questionable trustworthiness and tacking on a huge surcharge. And Nokia has not done this before. Even the N900 was available worldwide, though delayed.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by tissot
I don't have After Effects anymore. Someone please motion track Elop's head into the existing summary of where the N9 won't be released.
Heh so till N9 gets out Nokia announces everyday country that wont get it. Finland next?
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2011-08-12
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Was thinking about this... soft launching the N9, not really hyping it up, getting the bad publicity - which is better than no publicity at all - and then releasing the Nokia N9 in the areas that already originally had their own online store (now all closed) but release it through Amazon or other avenues lessens the risks and costs in a launch.
Just a logical thought in the sea of angst and rage.
Just a logical thought in the sea of angst and rage.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by gerbick
He has cut down drastically on many things including outlets and advertising.
Was thinking about this... soft launching the N9, not really hyping it up, getting the bad publicity - which is better than no publicity at all - and then releasing the Nokia N9 in the areas that already originally had their own online store (now all closed) but release it through Amazon or other avenues lessens the risks and costs in a launch.
Just a logical thought in the sea of angst and rage.
The device will sell itself thanks to this community and the rest of the world and by judging the pure frustration on this thread it is obviously going to be one hell of a storm this time and probably Nokia's best creation.
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2011-08-12
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Originally Posted by danramos
Sorry, but I still can't agree with that logic.
And if you buy Nokia crap, you're going to validate Elop's decisions (especially since there's clearly not going to be very many N9's and the alternatives are all Windows Phone 7 phones)--which ALSO means no possibility whatsoever of a return to a Linux-based OS in the future. Lose-lose.
I say, let them learn what Elop's done--and hope they turn around the fire the ***** in a desperate attempt to gain back what they've lost. THAT might have a chance.
If you don't buy a N9 (even if you like it) just to teach Nokia a lesson.
Then you are validating management's decisions.
Because as we all know... So many things they've done/planned.
Have directly/indirectly dramatically impacted N9's chances.
Anyway it comes down to if you like the device overall once the comparos are done.
That's when I'll make my final decision...
I'm not going to buy or not buy it purely as a political gesture.
Originally Posted by pedroesteban
I hope you're right, but it sounds to good to be true IMO.
All I see is different strategies for different markets: Symbian is replaced by WP where it's unsuccessful (Nokia shares the marketing costs with Microsoft); Symbian stays alive for a while where it's sucessful (low marketing costs); Maemo / Meego / Whatever stays alive in the Nokia labs and developer communities with an experimental device being release every 12 to 18 months (R&D budget).
EDIT: Conclusion: there's no need to panic!
And I don't like the sound of MeeGo/Maemo remaining experimental, & for dev communities only.
Sounds like "ground hog day" all over again...
It should be gradually replacing Symbian entirely in those regions.
God knows it's so bloody well overdue!!
After the N9's been out for a while, & if it does well in regions it's being pushed (assuming it really is being pushed).
Then one'd assume it'd finally graduate to some semblance of a true mass-market OS/ecosystem.
Not "experimental", and for "dev. communities only"...
Then again, that's probably the status Nokia will keep it in...
Because they won't work hard on ensuring the aforementioned graduation occurs in those regions.
Because they'll be focusing way harder on WP, for the markets that matter most to them.
Originally Posted by marxian
I'm feeling pain, and I'm somewhat bitter.
I'm not feeling any pain. And I'm not bitter towards Nokia. I'm just making a sound decision not to part with several hundred pounds for a device that has all but been abandoned by its manufacturer, even before its release. It's just a phone. Nothing more, nothing less. And it's a phone that I don't find quite as compelling as I first thought. I have (for now at least) an N950, so I'll continue to develop for the Meego-Harmattan platform alongside Maemo 5, which I still enjoy using. The N900 is still my main device. I honestly prefer it overall.
But that doesn't mean I'm not thinking logically in assessing the device/s that are most suitable for me.
I can understand where you're coming from though.
Originally Posted by ericsson
Mate don't be rude to people.
The problems are only in your heads, and they are created because you are thinking like a bunch of fanboys and drama queens.
They're allowed to express their opinions without being labelled.
Unless they're abill_uk... jus kiddin mate
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There will be Voddler-client for N9... cool...
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Originally Posted by Cue
I base my statements on several years of gradual progression WRT social media services, cloud computing and mobile OS design. You base your statements on the sales results of one particular OS that has only been in the market for one year.
They may not consider openness and data ownership now but Nokia was once a great company which catered to all audiences with different handsets. Now it has chosen a one size fits all approach with something that consumers are not that interested in. So I'm going to ask you the same question about WP7. If most consumers do not value this thing, why should nokia? Hope this doesn't come across as kicking and screaming, I've moved on, but I hope your emails weren't just "I agree, mein fuhrer".
QUALITY ARGUMENT BRO
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2011-08-12
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The only real way of kicking Elop in the teeth is to refuse to buy any WP devices simple as that really then Nokia will get him out and carry on where they left off.... with the N9 of course
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2011-08-12
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Maybe this goes beyond Elop being a trojan. What if that is just scratching the surface?
I mean what was the premise of removing the previous CEO?
Wasn't it falling stock and marketshare? Well since Elop has been in office hasn't it gotten 3x worse? Doesn't that seem like the board members are acting the exact opposite of how board members normally act?
What if it involves bribary, threats, blackmail etc.. Has anyone checked the board members and seen if they suddenly got rich or had their lives threatened or been in an implied scandal or anything. Don't they all have Nokia stock? Isn't it trashed right now? What were they offered in return?
I mean is there any evidence that there is real dirty handed corporate takeover tactics occuring here?
Former MS staff Weber comes out of retirement? What'd they say to him? "oh dude you can be the big boss man of America for Nokia, you're gonna be so awesome!"
Nawww come on! Most likely they said here's a big fat arse check to turn Nokia into a microsoft tool in the US.
He's like, "ohhhh look at all them zeros. Ok I'll do it."
Come on guys you know that's what it is.
I mean come on, the N9 clearly got a spectacular impression from the internet all around the damn world!
Apple's doing the "one device fits all and let them customize their device with apps" and they're winning market share and you're gonna tell me the board members can't see that and their f'n Nokia stocks are tanking and there is no inside dirty handed tactics occuring?
So they clearly get this is a "one device fits all iphone competitor" feedback and they are clearly trying to compete with Iphone but they don't release it worldwide? Do those two things seem contradictory to you?
What is the logic after getting such a very positive impression from everybody on the N9 even former "Nokia sucks people" to not letting this thing loose worldwide to atleast see if it eats Iphone marketshare?
There is no logical reasonable premise.
There are 50 arrows
48 of them are pointing towards Microsoft Trojan/s
2 are pointing to Nokia strategy to survive.
Bottom F'n line.
250 devices. That is supercalifragilistically small fry. Ok fine 300 it's still that.
That is sabotoge plain and simple.
That is not thinking big, that is not pushing your product, that is not attacking the competition, that is not trying to make a dent in iphone market share!
I'm f'n done pretending. N9 is my last Nokia device IF I can get it.
In no way am I putting down the harmattan devs I'm pointing towards upper management
Last edited by aironeous; 2011-08-12 at 15:30.
I mean what was the premise of removing the previous CEO?
Wasn't it falling stock and marketshare? Well since Elop has been in office hasn't it gotten 3x worse? Doesn't that seem like the board members are acting the exact opposite of how board members normally act?
What if it involves bribary, threats, blackmail etc.. Has anyone checked the board members and seen if they suddenly got rich or had their lives threatened or been in an implied scandal or anything. Don't they all have Nokia stock? Isn't it trashed right now? What were they offered in return?
I mean is there any evidence that there is real dirty handed corporate takeover tactics occuring here?
Former MS staff Weber comes out of retirement? What'd they say to him? "oh dude you can be the big boss man of America for Nokia, you're gonna be so awesome!"
Nawww come on! Most likely they said here's a big fat arse check to turn Nokia into a microsoft tool in the US.
He's like, "ohhhh look at all them zeros. Ok I'll do it."
Come on guys you know that's what it is.
I mean come on, the N9 clearly got a spectacular impression from the internet all around the damn world!
Apple's doing the "one device fits all and let them customize their device with apps" and they're winning market share and you're gonna tell me the board members can't see that and their f'n Nokia stocks are tanking and there is no inside dirty handed tactics occuring?
So they clearly get this is a "one device fits all iphone competitor" feedback and they are clearly trying to compete with Iphone but they don't release it worldwide? Do those two things seem contradictory to you?
What is the logic after getting such a very positive impression from everybody on the N9 even former "Nokia sucks people" to not letting this thing loose worldwide to atleast see if it eats Iphone marketshare?
There is no logical reasonable premise.
There are 50 arrows
48 of them are pointing towards Microsoft Trojan/s
2 are pointing to Nokia strategy to survive.
Bottom F'n line.
250 devices. That is supercalifragilistically small fry. Ok fine 300 it's still that.
That is sabotoge plain and simple.
That is not thinking big, that is not pushing your product, that is not attacking the competition, that is not trying to make a dent in iphone market share!
I'm f'n done pretending. N9 is my last Nokia device IF I can get it.
In no way am I putting down the harmattan devs I'm pointing towards upper management
Last edited by aironeous; 2011-08-12 at 15:30.
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