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2015-12-10
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If that happens we are pretty much screwed - there are no (official) images and no third party OS repo mirrors.
If the servers ever go down:
Also mentioned on one of the community meetings - the device pings a Jolla hosted server to check if it is online. If I understand it correctly then if this server goes down the device might forever thing it is offline. Someone with more information is welcome to clarify the ramifications of this & if this could be worked around.
If the servers ever go down:
- it would not be possible to install any store packages
- any non-store stuff from the official repositories
- reinstall packages from the official repositories (say after breaking them due to a patching accident)
- update devices to the latest Sailfish OS version
Also mentioned on one of the community meetings - the device pings a Jolla hosted server to check if it is online. If I understand it correctly then if this server goes down the device might forever thing it is offline. Someone with more information is welcome to clarify the ramifications of this & if this could be worked around.
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2015-12-10
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That last point about the ping I had no idea. Maybe we could work around that with a hosts file so it pings somewhere else. The hosts file could be put in an openrepoes package for the somewhat less technical people.
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2015-12-10
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Code:
nemo ~ $ cat /etc/connman/main.conf [General] FallbackTimeservers = 0.pool.ntp.org,1.pool.ntp.org,2.pool.ntp.org,3.pool.ntp.org NetworkInterfaceBlacklist = p2p,usb,rmnet,rev_rmnet SingleConnectedTechnology = false Ipv4StatusUrl = http://ipv4.jolla.com/return_204 Ipv6StatusUrl = http://ipv6.jolla.com/return_204 PreferredTechnologies = bluetooth,wifi,cellular PersistentTetheringMode = false AllowHostnameUpdates = false TetheringSubnetBlock = 172.28.172.0 DontBringDownAtStartup = rndis InputRequestTimeout = 300
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2015-12-11
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Don't forget you can't mirror official "adaptation" repos, because it requires credentials 
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2015-12-11
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Originally Posted by coderus
Can't one wireshark/mitm the connection (even with n900) and dump all the data that comes in to reproduce it once the servers die? Unless the data is modified for each and every credential, but having single credential reencoding still should be possible
Don't forget you can't mirror official "adaptation" repos, because it requires credentials
(with sailors still around for the meetings, hopefully some way to backup the latest, even if a bit dodgy from legal pov, should be doable)
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2015-12-11
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I assume if you have your device, dd backup of everything.
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2015-12-11
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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r
That was my first thought too but imagine you have to do a factory reset. To use dd to restore your device, you will have to enable Developer mode. How?
I assume if you have your device, dd backup of everything.
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Originally Posted by pichlo
No, you only need telnet recovery shell
That was my first thought too but imagine you have to do a factory reset. To use dd to restore your device, you will have to enable Developer mode. How?
Originally Posted by szopin
Maybe yes, maybe not. But afaik Sailors will backup repos themselves before shutdown.
Can't one wireshark/mitm the connection (even with n900) and dump all the data that comes in to reproduce it once the servers die? Unless the data is modified for each and every credential, but having single credential reencoding still should be possible
(with sailors still around for the meetings, hopefully some way to backup the latest, even if a bit dodgy from legal pov, should be doable)
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r
Talking about repos, so you can install packages. No problem to have device on latest available release.
I assume if you have your device, dd backup of everything.
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2015-12-11
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
It is easy and explained in https://together.jolla.com/question/...nnmanmainconf/
Seems like an easy fix. Worry about flashable images and essential packages we can't legally back up & distribute!Code:nemo ~ $ cat /etc/connman/main.conf [General] FallbackTimeservers = 0.pool.ntp.org,1.pool.ntp.org,2.pool.ntp.org,3.pool.ntp.org NetworkInterfaceBlacklist = p2p,usb,rmnet,rev_rmnet SingleConnectedTechnology = false Ipv4StatusUrl = http://ipv4.jolla.com/return_204 Ipv6StatusUrl = http://ipv6.jolla.com/return_204 PreferredTechnologies = bluetooth,wifi,cellular PersistentTetheringMode = false AllowHostnameUpdates = false TetheringSubnetBlock = 172.28.172.0 DontBringDownAtStartup = rndis InputRequestTimeout = 300
But this is for the network status only. And stskeeps talked about this service may be hosted by community members some mer meetings ago.
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I bring this up, as Microsoft recently shutdown the servers for OTA updates for Symbian devices. Fortunately it is not too huge of an issue as Symbian devices are mature in the development community and it is possible to flash the latest version from a download-able image. That, or the various custom firmwares such as Delight.
The Jolla phone, on the other hand...I had to send mine back to Finland when the filesystem became too full and the phone became unusable. I tried using the recovery off my Linux desktop beforehand, but to no avail. There is no obvious way to flash a firmware image as it is known for Symbian and Android, I can't even find them online.