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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by sachin007
I am tired of listening to this as the lamest excuse for ACTUALLY NOT HAVING any good desktop mobile app.
I agree. But most of those trivial apps for everything could be bypassed with a good and powerful browser...and then there is google for the most useful apps.
All those can be done with a good web browser.... I personally think there is no need to have an app for location aware services and anything which needs internet connection. Its better if app developers can make thier apps run on good old websites .... so they can work on any platform as long as the hardware is good enough.... that is the reason the desktop does not have apps for facebook, chase etc.
I WANT a desktop app for
a) Amazon music shopping (no I dont want to o it over a Browser browsing the Amazon/MP3 page fillled with details which I don't need while shopping over my smartphone.
b) Google Maps - I want an instant on Desktop app and not have to open a browser, point ot he Google maps URL put in my selections (which the browser page doesn't remember) and all that while driving. Instead a desktop apps with pre-set selections and preferences is much faster and desired <by me>.
c) I want an Ebay app to follow My Ebay while out and about and I am interetsed in a particulr item - not the browser interface please again.
d) I want a desktop stock application where I can store my portfolio and follow it regularly (and not store my portfolio on some other developer's site which gives nice AJAXed mobile design but will be down 2 days in a week.
e) I want integration between severaal desktop apps where possible and where they can talk to each other (and not standalone web apps which CAN'T talk to each other).
g) I use MovieFone as a web app to locate movies around me ... and each time I am soewhere away from home location I have to enter my zip code of where I am. A desktop app (or browser in this case) with integration to the GPS coordinates of my GPS enabled phone would be mych better to locate movies around me.
f)... and several and several more reasons.
Why do we have to justify web browser as an app medium to cover up the lack of desktop apps /
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2009-08-10
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First off, I meant to put more emphasis on the lack of major apps -- like a polished PIM and glitch-free word processor -- than on the special-purpose iPhone apps. It's been four years and those most basic of major apps never happened. Why is the future going to be so different? Maybe those will eventually be done right, but history leads me to believe that there will then be other major big apps that are lacking.
As for the iPhone apps versus a browser, they're better than a browser. I haven't used iPhone apps much since I don't own one and I prefer a 4.13" inch screen (!) with higher pixel density -- but, for example, the Wikipanion does a much nicer job of formatting the Wikipedia article than Safari does displaying Wikipedia in either the iPhone-formatted or regular versions. (In fact, while my N800's big screen does better than Safari on the iPhone at rendering the full Wikipedia page, the Wikipanion format on the iPhone is more readable than standard format on the N8*0.)
Ditto for Flixster, one of those GPS-aware movie apps. The formatting is delightful, and once you've found your movie, it cleanly gives you options of reviews in IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, or Flixster itself. To tell you the truth, it's more convenient to find a movie on the iPhone than it is on my desktop computer, even if I'm sitting at home.
You know you could also use an online calculator rather than an accessory/app, but I bet you generally use the app.
Or there's an Epicurious app that appears to create your shopping list once you've selected your recipes and made your menu -- yes, you could do that in lots of steps, but face it, to certain consumers (fortunately including my girlfriend!), that's pretty darn handy.
Those are just examples, of course. But you're making a mistake in underestimating their appeal and the real utility they offer iPhone/iTouch users.
[As for me, I'm not willing to give up my N800 for *any* of the 3.5" alternatives. If Apple would scale up the Touch to a still-pocketable 4.5" higher-pixel-density screen, though, I'd probably jump ship.]
Last edited by GeraldKo; 2009-08-10 at 19:56.
As for the iPhone apps versus a browser, they're better than a browser. I haven't used iPhone apps much since I don't own one and I prefer a 4.13" inch screen (!) with higher pixel density -- but, for example, the Wikipanion does a much nicer job of formatting the Wikipedia article than Safari does displaying Wikipedia in either the iPhone-formatted or regular versions. (In fact, while my N800's big screen does better than Safari on the iPhone at rendering the full Wikipedia page, the Wikipanion format on the iPhone is more readable than standard format on the N8*0.)
Ditto for Flixster, one of those GPS-aware movie apps. The formatting is delightful, and once you've found your movie, it cleanly gives you options of reviews in IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, or Flixster itself. To tell you the truth, it's more convenient to find a movie on the iPhone than it is on my desktop computer, even if I'm sitting at home.
You know you could also use an online calculator rather than an accessory/app, but I bet you generally use the app.
Or there's an Epicurious app that appears to create your shopping list once you've selected your recipes and made your menu -- yes, you could do that in lots of steps, but face it, to certain consumers (fortunately including my girlfriend!), that's pretty darn handy.
Those are just examples, of course. But you're making a mistake in underestimating their appeal and the real utility they offer iPhone/iTouch users.
[As for me, I'm not willing to give up my N800 for *any* of the 3.5" alternatives. If Apple would scale up the Touch to a still-pocketable 4.5" higher-pixel-density screen, though, I'd probably jump ship.]
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by nilchak
You can do all that by just clicking the browser instead of all the apps you mentioned.... Whats wrong with doing all that with a browser. Its just like a bookmark. Apps are nothing but bookmarks. Of course location aware apps are different because they use gps... but gps is not something which is common on all desktops and wont work well indoor anyways.
I am tired of listening to this as the lamest excuse for ACTUALLY NOT HAVING any good desktop mobile app.
I WANT a desktop app for
a) Amazon music shopping (no I dont want to o it over a Browser browsing the Amazon/MP3 page fillled with details which I don't need while shopping over my smartphone.
b) Google Maps - I want an instant on Desktop app and not have to open a browser, point ot he Google maps URL put in my selections (which the browser page doesn't remember) and all that while driving. Instead a desktop apps with pre-set selections and preferences is much faster and desired <by me>.
c) I want an Ebay app to follow My Ebay while out and about and I am interetsed in a particulr item - not the browser interface please again.
d) I want a desktop stock application where I can store my portfolio and follow it regularly (and not store my portfolio on some other developer's site which gives nice AJAXed mobile design but will be down 2 days in a week.
e) I want integration between severaal desktop apps where possible and where they can talk to each other (and not standalone web apps which CAN'T talk to each other).
g) I use MovieFone as a web app to locate movies around me ... and each time I am soewhere away from home location I have to enter my zip code of where I am. A desktop app (or browser in this case) with integration to the GPS coordinates of my GPS enabled phone would be mych better to locate movies around me.
f)... and several and several more reasons.
Why do we have to justify web browser as an app medium to cover up the lack of desktop apps /
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by pataphysician
I personally find eBay's web interface really noisy with the amount of content they have. It's not suited for a mobile device that doesn't have a mouse. Even with the n800 it requires alot of scrolling and I feel kinetic scrolling isn't enough. But I do agree with your idea of something like Google's homepage with gadgets.
What cheap shots did I take. If I decide I need to find movies near me, Isn't it easier to use the same web gadget that has my same data that I can use on my desktop too, and I'm familiar with and use all the time and has other information as well?
The problem is that the iphone interface to the web, while great for a phone, it doesn't work super great with many desktop oriented web gadgets, because of screen size, resolution and no resistive stylus use, which can select easily, small page elements. None of these issues effect the NITs so we don't have to create re-uied webapps, which is what a large number of iphone apps are, plus the ability to monetize your iphone app. I understand why these iphone apps exist and I don't think they are bad on the iphone (or for that matter the pre). For example, my niece has an ipod touch and I know that using ebay through the app was much easier than trying to use the ebay regular web-interface on the ipod touch, but I can use ebay's regular web-interface just fine on my NIT, because I'm not stuck with a tiny 480-by-320 screen.
By the way I'm not a dev, just a regular user.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by sachin007
But they aren't just bookmarks. They're much cleverer. They're even better than bookmarks with better formatting (which in itself is important). See, for examples, my post above yours (which you wouldn't have seen while typing your post to which I'm replying).
Apps are nothing but bookmarks.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by sachin007
While there is nothing against having a mobile platform mature enough to provide a better browser and browsing experience (like the NIT's), that does not go against the reason for having desktop apps.
Well i personally think most of the online apps where there to get a flashy version of the mobile websites. Yeah they were useful.. but i believe in having a better web browser and more well designed websites than having individual apps to the website. With the mobile hardware becoming more powerful i dont think there is a need to for online apps. But i do agree the accelerometer was a big innovation by apple. Most of the games were fun to play. But again after a while it again became boring after all the different games were almost similar to each other with just a different front.
A good desktop app can integrate many facets of different apps (via API's etc) to provide a more enhanced mobile experience (which a browser app can do too - think tweetdesk, iGoogle etc, cant think of much now).
Again a good desktop app with Maemo API's van integrate these disparate apps with the Maemo based device data.
Like getting contacts to integrate with Calendar with Google calendar with Facebook contacts with Yahoo Contacts (much like what Pre does I suppose).
If everything was supposed to have been done via browser, why do we cry for a good PIM app on the NIT and not use some online PIM tool itself ?
No sir, a browser based app all the time doesn't cut the mustard all the time.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by zerojay
Well, Omnia HD is running Symbian and is getting more scores than most of the Nokia phones...
I once saw a Samsung running Symbian.
I'm still seeing a therapist about it.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i891...view-380p1.php
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by nilchak
The problem with having everything online is the need to have an internet connection. A local PIM app is necessary because not all of us are connected to internet 24/7. In that case an ideal solution would be something that can sync to a database either online or local (e.g. Exchange/Evolution). I agree though, you still need a offline client for the times when you don't have service. But for applications that require the internet (e.g. Facebook, Twitter) or some sort, wouldn't it make more sense to have them web-based rather then an application? (well maybe not Twitter considering you can update via SMS).
While there is nothing against having a mobile platform mature enough to provide a better browser and browsing experience (like the NIT's), that does not go against the reason for having desktop apps.
A good desktop app can integrate many facets of different apps (via API's etc) to provide a more enhanced mobile experience (which a browser app can do too - think tweetdesk, iGoogle etc, cant think of much now).
Again a good desktop app with Maemo API's van integrate these disparate apps with the Maemo based device data.
Like getting contacts to integrate with Calendar with Google calendar with Facebook contacts with Yahoo Contacts (much like what Pre does I suppose).
If everything was supposed to have been done via browser, why do we cry for a good PIM app on the NIT and not use some online PIM tool itself ?
No sir, a browser based app all the time doesn't cut the mustard all the time.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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Originally Posted by nilchak
I gotta disagree. The fact that there are so many of those iPhone apps providing their own interface for those services is basically Apple admiting that their browser is far from ideal on those sites.
While there is nothing against having a mobile platform mature enough to provide a better browser and browsing experience (like the NIT's), that does not go against the reason for having desktop apps.
And in your PIM example... the reason why people aren't using an online PIM service is simply because if you lose your connection for any reason, you lose your PIM and for a lot of people, that's a complete disaster.
And here,in MNSHO, is the dichotomy between people who bought NITS and love playing with them, and people who just want to have an app do everything for them.
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