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iskarion is offline iskarion
2009-09-02 , 10:51
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#21
Btw., why Java? As far as I understood, Maemo 5 doesn't support Java? Same as Maemo 4.

Or is there an update on this which I did miss, in any of the thousands of "N900 announced / Nokia World 2009" threads?
 
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2009-09-02 , 11:02
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Originally Posted by nowave7 View Post
As far as I remember it was written in C++. Still it has a wide range of bindings which allow it to be used as a backend for multitude of languages other than C++.
All I'm saying Qt is not an 'or' choice in the above poll as it's not a language
 

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2009-09-02 , 11:31
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Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
All I'm saying Qt is not an 'or' choice in the above poll as it's not a language
Exactly my point as well
 
Architengi is offline Architengi
2009-09-09 , 06:09
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#24
From Nokia World, 2009, Germany:

Day 2 - focused on services and SDK

"Delivering on People & Places"
  • New OVI APIs and new OVI SDK
  • OVI Maps Player API
  • introducing: OVI MAPS API and
  • Ovi Navigation Player API - add naviagtion for walk and drive to your app
  • Let's simplify - Programmers complained to NOKIA it is too cumbersome to develop apps to different devices (Symbian s60v3,v5, Maemo, etc)
  • -
  • Ovi SDK - contains:
  • APIs for Maps, Location, Navigation
  • Languages: HTML, CSS, JavaScript (web runtime)
  • www.forum.nokia.com/Ovi
  • An example of Navigation app: Primordial (Ground Guidence)
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Why the Ovi SDK is only JavaScript (WRT)? If the program is JavaScript, anybody can see the source code, so it is hard to create commercial apps...
 
Architengi is offline Architengi
2009-09-09 , 07:22
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Originally Posted by iskarion View Post
Btw., why Java? As far as I understood, Maemo 5 doesn't support Java? Same as Maemo 4.

Or is there an update on this which I did miss, in any of the thousands of "N900 announced / Nokia World 2009" threads?
Java is coming to Maemo.

There are tons of developers using Java for desktop and mobile. For mobile, in Android, Symbian and S40, Java is huge.

Can anybody from Nokia to give us more information on Java release date for Maemo?
 
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2009-09-09 , 12:34
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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
Java is coming to Maemo.

There are tons of developers using Java for desktop and mobile. For mobile, in Android, Symbian and S40, Java is huge.

Can anybody from Nokia to give us more information on Java release date for Maemo?
Java is not officially supported by Nokia, but see

http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.ph..._Java_on_maemo

In principle ANY language can be implemented on the maemo platform, without explicit support from Nokia. This has been done for mono (.net) and Java, perl, etc.

The point is that this makes the most sense for porting existing applications.

Those without a graphical gui (eg Java/Python/.net web apps which can run on a local webserver) require almost no porting effort. Programs with an existing GTK userinterface (Java SWT) can be run on maemo with some effort. It is in principle possible to create bindings to all the maemo APIs for all these languages and this is required if one want to do fancy stuff (multimedia, GPS, device-orientation, etc).

But if one wants to do this fancy stuff, than it is probably not an existing application one wants to port and than it is probably better to write it in C(++) in the first place.

Edit: An interesting development model could be to write eg a Qt frontend for an existing Java backend application. These could be glued together with eg Java JNI or DBUS or ...
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2009-09-09 , 15:49
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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
Java is coming to Maemo.

There are tons of developers using Java for desktop and mobile. For mobile, in Android, Symbian and S40, Java is huge.

Can anybody from Nokia to give us more information on Java release date for Maemo?
I would put it the other way around: Java is not supported in Maemo. We will announce any change in the plans.

Looking forward to see Jallimo or any other project willing to push Java support!
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2009-09-09 , 16:03
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dont officialy support java on Maemo please, the java apps on s60 are mostly poor quality and hurting the platform b/c nobody is developing using native language using the full potential of s60. java will mean poor games forever as they develop and port exact game cross many platforms at little cost doing nothing innovative
the day Maemo officially supports java run time then the platform will become full of shovel ware like many OS's before
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2009-09-10 , 06:01
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About the thread itself, there is something a bit confusing. It's the Maemo SDK and not the Ovi store what decides what frameworks or languages are supported. If one day the Ovi store supports Maemo it will simply follow whatever is official in the Maemo SDK.
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Architengi is offline Architengi
2009-09-14 , 09:44
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Originally Posted by Bundyo View Post
Originally Posted by Jaffa
"Full Java" on N900 seems to be somewhat pulled out of the air. Jalimo isn't there yet, and "full Java" nowadays is including things like JavaFX.
You've missed something. In fact few people noticed the thread
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/embedded.jsp

This headless one works like a charm on my N800, of course takes 100% CPU most of the time, but works nevertheless and is full Probably JavaFX doesn't work but runs web start apps.
EABI, glibc 2.5, Hard Float (VFP), Little Endian
To clarify this: is Java supported on Maemo 5, in what flavor (Embedded, ME, etc), or not at all?
 
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