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2010-05-06 , 19:02
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#51
Originally Posted by qole View Post
And what do you think that little triangle in the top right is?
"My screen can only fit so much of the ellipse tool"?
 

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2010-05-06 , 19:03
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#52
Originally Posted by qole View Post
Here's a slightly different version of the same graph, from a presentation I attended earlier this week. Same message; Meego is a niche OS, Symbian and Series 40 are going to be running on most of Nokia's hardware.
They might be referring to the pricing scheme and on which position sits the devices. Also a comparission of the amount of high end devices that would be shipped compared to the low end.

More or less like Ferrari and Fiat... Fiat sells the most cars but Ferraris makes the biggest profit.
 
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2010-05-06 , 19:12
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
Do they think they're saying that there will be high-end Symbian devices that are even more "Aspirational" than MeeGo?
"Aspirational brand (or product) means a large segment of its exposure audience wishes to own it, but for economical reasons cannot. An aspirational product implies certain positive characteristics to the user, but the supply appears limited due to limited production quantities." Wikipedia

The even more aspirational Symbian devices suggest that Nokia might start making Symbian phones under it's luxury brand Vertu. Buying a Meego device is the rational choice. The 10 000 euro gold plated Vertu Symbian device with encrusted diamond being the Aspirational choice for russian oligarchs, arab oil-sheiks and british footballer wifes.

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What the heck does the "Rational <--> Aspirational" axis mean?!
Products for people who mostly buy on basis price and/or quality <---> Products for people who mostly buy on the basis of marketing and what is perceived trendy or fancy.
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2010-05-06 , 19:30
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#54
Originally Posted by Slick View Post
It's over for nokia they will drop to about 18-22% marketshare, the time for the rebound has pasted.
Their share has actually increased slightly. It's far from over. It's still very early in the mobile device game.

They then go and make the N900 again underpowered but this hardware is the best they've stuck into a device,
Underpowered? At release it was the most kick-butt hardware available. Still is pretty much. Underpowered...I wanna warp drive in mine while they're at it.

HP buying Palm, if they get it together palm people developing webos while HP's people make the hardware. I can't imagine them releasing one device at a time, but they will definately attack the low end.
Like Dell, Garmin and others, HP will find breaking into a (new for them) well-stocked market tough. Especially the low end. I don't like their chances.

win mob 7 has time to get win mob 7 improved as nokia makes their improvements.
Hey, above you said Nokia's time for rebound had passed, despite their massive and increasing market share. But Windblows has time, despite having a minor and shrinking share? Which is it?

The kin shows what they are aiming at.
Low. Too low.

once you get a slice of the high end squashing the low end is easy.
Why? It's two different markets.

I hate apple but they are suceeding imo because of marketing but they are scared and the lawsuits are a tell they want to patent the unpatentable concepts but can't move forward without others patents thus the lawsuits in hopes of resulting in a patent exchange
Apple should've learned 20 years ago that a totally closed system will eventually lose. Then again, maybe they do remember and that's why they set loose a legal army against those who would oppose the Emperor
Jobs.
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2010-05-06 , 19:39
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[I]...what do you think that little triangle in the top right is? "No devices made here"?
James Bond or Superhero stuff.
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2010-05-06 , 19:41
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#56
Originally Posted by Enyibinakata View Post
I use Tweet Deck and NYTimes on windows and it looks and feels good plus works a charm. So I know what I am talking about. I wont dismiss Adobe just because Jobs does, I have a mind of my own.

Which AIR apps have you used exactly ?.

ignorance [ˈɪgnərəns]
n
lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorance
Keep in mind that your experiences are not mine. That being said, I will again state that I DO NOT WANT.

I don't recall precisely what I played with over the several days I tried out running AIR (duh--I didn't like it, why would I pay attention to what I ran?) but I think they were supposed to be Adobe gadgets that ran on AIR. It was clunky and incredibly resource intensive, not to even mention all the security issues that they have yet to address in ALL their products much less something as "new" as AIR (relatively new).

Yes, I believe I used ignorant in the correct way. When you labeled him "ignorant", you clearly didn't base it on any response back to your question, and so made yourself appear ignorant and prejudiced. Did you have some kind of knowledge about his experience that neither of you shared? Prejudice and ignorance often go together, you see. Try looking up prejudice, too. I sprinkled it around in this message for you so you wouldn't be ignorant about the hint.
 

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Originally Posted by twoboxen View Post
FYI I wrote my own engine that supports (not the complete API, but enough) for a single code base to build on iPhone, Android, Maemo, WinMo, Mac, Linux, Windows, JavaSE, etc. I use OpenGL(ES), OpenAL (when supported, other sound tools otherwise) all wrapping my own widgets.

I hardly make any money from all this, since it was a night hobby before I had my first kid last year. Now I just program in my day job and collect VERY SMALL amounts of passive income from that hobby.

Attitude. pssshh. I imagine I'm a lot closer to these issues than most--including you.
Sorry, I responded because you were being kind of a downer. But since we're whipping it out, I was doing JNI before it was called JNI. JNI wasn't introduced till 1.1. I did six straight years of nothing but server-side Java (well, also some Perl and kernel hacking during that time). Using JNI to call reentrant C functions using heavily shared memory was where the core technology resided. This code was hit by up to one million simultaneous users and didn't blink (links on AOL's front page). I know better than most what the right tool is for the job, maybe even you.

I just think you should to turn your frown upside down.
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I just think you should to turn your frown upside down.
Fair enough. I hate pissing contests. fin.
 

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#59
Here's what Nokia needs to save itself:
1- QT, if implemented and marketed well.
2- A solid strong Ovi store, extending beyond Nokia devices to other platforms (e.g. Meego devices)
3- Shiny, finger friendly Symbian
4- Proper implementation of Meego
5- More dumbphones to maintain market share (especially in developing countries)
6- Aggressive competition in the USA, this is where hypes are created
7- More value added services (free nav, music...)
8- Fewer phones, more concentration.
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2010-05-06 , 21:19
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Symbian might have a lot of market share, like GM sells a lot of cars. That doesn't mean they are in a good TREND. As far as trends go, Symbian is dead. Nokia wouldn't be working on Maemo and MeeGo if they thought Symbian was their future.

http://surgeworksmobile.com/iphone/n...tes-the-market

It would take a lot of "revamping" to make Symbian competitive with other OSes.

I think Nokia is dreaming with what they expect Symbian to do in their chart.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10398202-16.html
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