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2010-05-13 , 04:57
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#141
Originally Posted by 9000 View Post
I see, thank you for your information. Compiling in the real hardware for development should be ideal, but I'm just worrying that constantly loading up the device would wear out the CPU and flash pretty quick. I'll sort this out in a real development thread. Just want to get a quick response from you and you're helpful. Thank you very much.
Here's one last quick response. I don't have any real concerns because I have an 8 GB micro SD card with a 100 MB DOS partition and 2 4 GB ext2 partitions. I use those with qole's qchroot and a much expanded version of his SDK image (Thanks qole!). If you ever go this route, don't freak out if the camera app says you're out disk space; on a reboot, if it finds one, it defaults to the SD card's DOS partition for storage, so that needs to be changed if needed after a reboot.

Sometimes when I'm doing some heavy churn with Python stuff, I copy everything to /tmp for the reasons you stated. And, of course, I periodicly (sp?) save them back to storage.

I'm not sure about burning out the CPU, but that's the least of my worries.
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2010-05-13 , 07:38
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#142
oh wow. Didn't expect this many replies.

Khair, at the end, all I want to say is I love Nokia and its a shame that after 6 months, not that many apps have been released yet. Sure sites are awesome but not easy to use. It still has the best browser to date.

All you developers making apps, you guys rock, you really do. I just expected something else from this device. Is it my own fault, I don't know or think so.

Now, can't we all just hug and get along?
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2010-05-13 , 07:57
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#143
Wow I guess this proves that men are also sensitive.
 
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2010-05-13 , 16:23
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#144
Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
that is as impossible as nokia giving those things you described free to every single person in the planet.

only because there is no such device yet. n900 is a great compromise and huge step from n810. you can't have it all (for example iPhone and strict restrictions)
gotcha. i think i understand. but' the develpers can make this phone all mass m arket friendly right?
 
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2010-05-13 , 17:00
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#145
Originally Posted by daperl View Post
That's it? You don't want to say how much you hate Nokia or how you would like to harm their management?

And it wasn't an accident that I knew better than to upgrade my SDKs (I do 90% of my compiling on the device). You'll learn.
learn what? i will never develop directly on device because it has a tiny screen and gcc + dev libs are not optified.

1. Nokia is guilty about not telling maemo staff to not upgrade buildbots
2. Maemo is guilty of updating only sdk repo and realizing only later what they've done. they should have at least put updates in a separate repo.

I do not hate nokia nor maemo devs, but they should take responsibility of their errors.
PS Keep your sarcasm for yourself please.
 
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2010-05-13 , 17:29
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Originally Posted by admiral0 View Post
PS Keep your sarcasm for yourself please.
oh really?
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2010-05-13 , 17:38
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Originally Posted by andraeseus1 View Post
gotcha. i think i understand. but' the develpers can make this phone all mass m arket friendly right?
actually developers wont bother at a bigger scale because there is no DRM... (and nokia has fcukked with their store at least couple times)
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
I think the next device will try to be exactly that. They will have a "DRM Mode" that will make the carriers happy, with no root access and lots of security features like signed applications, and they'll also have a "hacker mode" for people like me, which will allow root access ... but no DRM. But we hackers aren't supposed to care about DRM anyway, right?

I guess you could say that the next device will be very iPhone-like out of the box, with lots of lock-down, easy-to-use services and shiny apps, but it will ship with a vendor-approved way to "jailbreak" the device.
I'd be happy with that. I definitely don't see DRM as a "feature"
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2010-05-13 , 18:09
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#149
Originally Posted by admiral0 View Post
learn what? i will never develop directly on device because it has a tiny screen and gcc + dev libs are not optified.
You can start by reading my two previous posts, superstar.

1. Nokia is guilty about not telling maemo staff to not upgrade buildbots
2. Maemo is guilty of updating only sdk repo and realizing only later what they've done. they should have at least put updates in a separate repo.
Yes, major error. Almost catastrophic. But it wasn't. They should give some of us gift certificates.

I do not hate nokia nor maemo devs, but they should take responsibility of their errors.
Good. Sure.

PS Keep your sarcasm for yourself please.
You're joking, right? If not, maybe read what you wrote here. If you're still not sure, try here.

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2010-05-13 , 19:32
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You can start by reading my two previous posts, superstar.



Yes, major error. Almost catastrophic. But it wasn't. They should give some of us gift certificates.



Good. Sure.



You're joking, right? If not, maybe read what you wrote here. If you're still not sure, try here.

You're the bomb!
touché. I was really annoyed by the fact that you interpreted things that i didn't say and i would never say. Nokia and Maemo [council|whatever] are doing their best, but that doesn't mean that they can't screw up things.

they should have done rollback. I still can't install most qt apps i care about.
Nokia could at least release some bugfixes as PR 1.1.2. They didn't and won't do it. bye bye university wifi till PR1.2

I saw stuff you said about ssh and gcc in a chroot. You are right, but anyways nokia n900 compiles slower than my pc. And apps i usually compile tend to be big enough to care.

A better solution to chroot imo would be a aufs branch over /. I also think that /opt thing is a wrong decision. aufs is a better solution imo
 

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