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2011-02-14 , 14:02
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
This site has long had a 'psychological' problem that anyone who didn't prefer the Nokia device at hand waas treated as an enemy.
Bull.

That applied to trolls who stormed into a Maemo-oriented site and slammed the people and products involved.

There is a section here specifically devoted to alternatives, and the Maemo adherents don't make a policy of treating posters there as "enemies".

I really, really wish you would lay off the disingenuous hyperbole. Just once.
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2011-02-14 , 20:47
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so are there plans to move to mirror the repositories elsewhere ?

Many seem to have the attitude here that regardless of what nokia does - the mameo community support will live on.

But this is not true, if (when ?) Nokia pulls the plug on funding, the repositories go down and community support for maemo effectively ends ?

Is this the situation now ? i.e. there are no backup plans and maemo community support is in practice at the whim of Nokia ?

If so I think the first priority is to have maemo support independent of Nokia funding. Given Nokia's company direction now and emphasis on cost cutting, it is very likely funding will be pulled.

Any plans for this ?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Bull.

That applied to trolls who stormed into a Maemo-oriented site and slammed the people and products involved.

There is a section here specifically devoted to alternatives, and the Maemo adherents don't make a policy of treating posters there as "enemies".

I really, really wish you would lay off the disingenuous hyperbole. Just once.
I wish you would stop specifically attacking me personally, Texrat. I don't think I have ever done that to you. (Proof to the contrary is welcome.)
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Bull.

That applied to trolls who stormed into a Maemo-oriented site and slammed the people and products involved.

There is a section here specifically devoted to alternatives, and the Maemo adherents don't make a policy of treating posters there as "enemies".

I really, really wish you would lay off the disingenuous hyperbole. Just once.
Yes, the site has been impressive for its tolerance in those areas, but even there attacks based on "why are you here" have been quite common. Now the attackers have learned to just skip those forums, so the atmosphere is not as confrontational as it was for years.

You might ask Gerbick if he finds that he is always treated positively and politely. I don't think so.

People who check out this site and have a problem to discuss often start their posts "I really really LOVE my N900, but..." Why do they do that.

I don't drive into the auto store and say "I really really LOVE my car, but I have a flat tire."
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I love Gerbick.
 
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Note #2 that for Nokia, maemo.org was already on life-support, as the focus shifted to meego.com (so not THAT different in terms the focus being shifted again).
as i see it, the difference is much bigger this time.
it was probably one of Nokia'a goals to migrate as many talented (open-source) developers from Maemo to Meego as possible, so they couldn't just cut funds for the platform that attracted those developers in the first place.
none of those (well, not many anyways ) will migrate to the Microsoft platform... so in my opinion Nokia is much more likely to cut their expenses even further by axing this site.

but i hope i'm wrong about this.
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
Yes, the site has been impressive for its tolerance in those areas, but even there attacks based on "why are you here" have been quite common. Now the attackers have learned to just skip those forums, so the atmosphere is not as confrontational as it was for years.

You might ask Gerbick if he finds that he is always treated positively and politely. I don't think so.

People who check out this site and have a problem to discuss often start their posts "I really really LOVE my N900, but..." Why do they do that.

I don't drive into the auto store and say "I really really LOVE my car, but I have a flat tire."
Problems is many "whinners"/trolls whatever is whinning too totally wrong people and/or for wrong reasons.

Some examples: This endless discussiions about flash and lack of new PR versions or Nokia should go Android blablabla.

So personally I can understand if people getting sick of this and ask people too leave the forum.

I mean cmon do anyone here beleive ANY Nokia board directors or market departments is even bother read this forum?

The sad is that most whining is directed to totally wrong people.

Just take a look at planetqt.org or nokia forum since friday.

Hell!!! it looks like most of the people really is stupid or just ignorant and blame the engineers for the Nokia mess when the problems is the directors board and the market deparment and bussiness people
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I wish you would stop specifically attacking me personally, Texrat. I don't think I have ever done that to you. (Proof to the contrary is welcome.)
That wasn't an attack. It was a request.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
People who check out this site and have a problem to discuss often start their posts "I really really LOVE my N900, but..." Why do they do that.

I don't drive into the auto store and say "I really really LOVE my car, but I have a flat tire."
I can't figure out why anyone would have even the slightest problem with that.
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as i see it, the difference is much bigger this time.
it was probably one of Nokia'a goals to migrate as many talented (open-source) developers from Maemo to Meego as possible, so they couldn't just cut funds for the platform that attracted those developers in the first place.
none of those (well, not many anyways ) will migrate to the Microsoft platform... so in my opinion Nokia is much more likely to cut their expenses even further by axing this site.

but i hope i'm wrong about this.
IF they kill this site (wish a doubt), would it be a big problem?

1. Will the community die? No
2. Will QT die? No
3. Will Maemo die, No atleast not until people leave stop using N800/N900
4. Will most of the threads about flash, going android no PR threads die YES :-D

After some days now of "thinking" I have come to some conclusions: This is Nokias mistake. The community will move forward. But it can move faster forward if we stop this "dark thinking" about future for the Maemo/Meego/QT and keep develop commercial or/and open apps for N900 and comming Meego tablets etc...

Remember the old CEO did say something about "FIGHT BACK" last year?

Well "Nokiaboard" gives (==paniced) up now, but NOT the engineers working on Qt/Meego inside Nokia(or outside) and the rest of the open freeworking community who still beleives in Qt/Meego.
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
IF they kill this site (wish a doubt), would it be a big problem?

1. Will the community die? No
2. Will QT die? No
3. Will Maemo die, No atleast not until people leave stop using N800/N900
4. Will most of the threads about flash, going android no PR threads die YES :-D
If Nokia pulls TMO funding, the TMO repositories will die correct ? And there is currently no backup or mirror in place correct ?

So where will n900 code/community support be distributed from ? If there is no community support, the Maemo is effectively dead ?

Or is there a backup or mirror currently in place ? I took a look around TMO and couldnt find any mention of a backup - just some mentions that a mirror needs to be done soon.
 
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