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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by slender
Google "Ford Zune".
Giving us _amaaaazing_ bing(reminds me of this sound) and xbox360 experience also zune. Please remember to buy only MS certificated devices.
They just ditched all that multi platform pointless dreaming and started to do what apple did in year 2007. Android and chrome OS are doing just stupid things like going to tabletīs and TV thatīs just so stupid and not wise thing to do, probably google is going to announce next something as stupid as in vehicle OS. *sigh*
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by xerxes2
You just proved that corporate strategy is more important than engineering prowess.
MS can't code themselves out of a cardboard box. In 2009 WM had 12% market share in the smartphone segment. In 2010 they had 3% of which WP7 had a whopping 1.5%. Christ, WP7 doesn't even have support for multitasking and dualcores WTF!
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by richwhite
Realize Elop's responsibility is not to Europeans, or MS hater, or Linux lover, it is to Nokia's share holder. Doesn't matter what he does, if he can keep a nokia's stock sustained growth for his tenure as head of Nokia, then he does his job.
You're right and i absolutely agree, but 'simplified' or not, how exactly is what i said much different from what you said? Or, different from the truth? That Elop, trojan horse or not, got his job in Nokia and almost immediately set about aligning with the highest bidder?
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by xerxes2
For Microsoft it is very important Meego dies as a open source smart phone platform. Elop is going to be CEO of Microsoft after Ballmer, so think again and you will get it.
Look at the figures and you see what I mean. Yes they've lost "some" market share in the smartphone segment but MeeGo/Qt was supposed to fix that in the near future. Why the heck throw that away before it's even released? I don't get it and probably never will.
Microsoft is really scared of this open source movement, because it reveals their (NSA) backdoors, bugs and poor coding to rest of the world.
Hopefully some of the old Nokia software engineers end up in Microsoft and leak the WP-source code to the net as soon as they can. The world needs it and it is good thing to do (tm).
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
actually I am an American that can't stand the fact that nokia dropped all plans that nokia had sold to it's coustomers and developers for over a year in order to side with a company that has NEVER been a key player in the mobile market, who has less then a 5% market share, and to use an OS that is incomplete in a way that requires almost a year before they can get a device out using it.
Beautifully said. I think that many arguments here are by bruised European egos that cant stomach the fact that Nokia decided to abandon Symbian for american OS, WP7. Forget about Europe vs. America. NOKIA did the right thing by joining with MS. I bought N8 and I tell you its sitting in my glove compartment. Besides camera its OS is just not good enough to cut it in the competitive market. I also played with WP7, much more fluid, much more responsive than Symbian 3.
As for symbian 3, the plan was that nokia would modernize and polish it over the next 12-18 months in stages and all current and future S3 handset owners would get the updates. This is what they were pitching to customers just 2-3 months ago, this is why people were buying the devices such as the N8, and why the E70 was an anticipated device. Of course that's dead now.
This is a win-win for NOKIA. They can still pursue their weegos and meegos and partner with MS that KNOWS how to do software engineering.
And Elop did the timing brilliantly. You dont want to sink with no return. Symbian is destined for history. Sure, masses will still use it for another 5-6 years and you will get your support and so on. But just like any other OS, things change and WP7/8/9/10 will give everyone else run for their money. I would be excited to be at NOKIA know, with new beginning, new cash infusion and ability to work for innovators like MS
Symbian has no future according to the bar chart and wave graph nokia has released since the announcement. I say Symbian development rapidly declines at nokia over the next 3-6 months before it is outright ended altogether.
As for nokia and meego, that is all but finished after they release the device except perhaps a skeleton crew mainly working on it as a side project/hobby.
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by turbowei
Elops only responsibility is for the Microsoft stock he holds. Stupid or damaging long term decisions can always be rationalised with short-sighted gains. And nobody can blame him for acting in his own interest.
Realize Elop's responsibility is not to Europeans, or MS hater, or Linux lover, it is to Nokia's share holder. Doesn't matter what he does, if he can keep a nokia's stock sustained growth for his tenure as head of Nokia, then he does his job.
Who ever hired him already knew that he'd elop:e with Microsoft. We've got them to thank for this.
The fact he's there, means a majority of the board is already infected with the same goals.
In the end, the only useful purpose of a huge corporation is to amass wealth for a few individuals, not create useful products. I hope we've all learned this now.
If we want an open phone platform, we need to look for smaller companies, ones that can resist the temptation of the huge profits gained by an app-store on a locked down device and just focus on their core business.
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by Funklord
That does not even make sense.
Elops only responsibility is for the Microsoft stock he holds.
Stupid or damaging long term decisions can always be rationalised with short-sighted gains.
Stupid or damaging short term decisions can always be made while holding onto long term idealist goals.
Since they live and breathe money, cashflow issues may restrict a corporation from reaching mid-long term goals.
In the end, the only useful purpose of a huge corporation is to amass wealth for a few individuals, not create useful products. I hope we've all learned this now.
If we want an open phone platform, we need to look for smaller companies, ones that can resist the temptation of the huge profits gained by an app-store on a locked down device and just focus on their core business.
- they can't afford to setup an appstore ecosystem?
- they're not doing this for the money? (good luck surviving and growing)
- they have idealist people unfamiliar with business? (well it's just a matter of time before they grow up and learn)
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2011-02-19
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I have to wonder one thing... how much longer would people have realistically waited for MeeGo to come out and how long do people think that Nokia had to pull that off convincingly.
Just curious. Realistic answers only. I'm genuinely curious because people seem to think that Nokia, as-is was much better than this newer, wholly unwanted direction - that's not saying that this is a better direction, so keep that out of your answer. I just wonder if people are still holding onto ideals that aren't truly founded in realism.
Thank you in advance.
Just curious. Realistic answers only. I'm genuinely curious because people seem to think that Nokia, as-is was much better than this newer, wholly unwanted direction - that's not saying that this is a better direction, so keep that out of your answer. I just wonder if people are still holding onto ideals that aren't truly founded in realism.
Thank you in advance.
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by zimon
I can see this as a likely scenario.
For Microsoft it is very important Meego dies as a open source smart phone platform. Elop is going to be CEO of Microsoft after Ballmer, so think again and you will get it.
Originally Posted by zimon
Not really. Microsoft dislikes the FOSS movement because it makes them irrelevant.
Microsoft is really scared of this open source movement, because it reveals their (NSA) backdoors, bugs and poor coding to rest of the world.
Originally Posted by zimon
With this I completely disagree. See here.
Hopefully some of the old Nokia software engineers end up in Microsoft and leak the WP-source code to the net as soon as they can. The world needs it and it is good thing to do (tm).
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...184#post949184
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But the WM7 "horse" has a blood lineage tracing back to donkeys such as WM6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5.1 that was fully neglected for too many years and Microsoft did sweet F all to maintain it (still running on Pocket IE4/6!!).