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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by nilchak
Well i completely agree that iphone based web apps give a better interface than opening the web browser in the iphone. But as hardware improves like the current omap's it would be better to support the complete web 2.0 and design good websites instead of wasting time and effort for each platform to have an app for that specific application. Then again i understand that the resolution of various mobile devices will not be the same....
While there is nothing against having a mobile platform mature enough to provide a better browser and browsing experience (like the NIT's), that does not go against the reason for having desktop apps.
A good desktop app can integrate many facets of different apps (via API's etc) to provide a more enhanced mobile experience (which a browser app can do too - think tweetdesk, iGoogle etc, cant think of much now).
Again a good desktop app with Maemo API's van integrate these disparate apps with the Maemo based device data.
Like getting contacts to integrate with Calendar with Google calendar with Facebook contacts with Yahoo Contacts (much like what Pre does I suppose).
If everything was supposed to have been done via browser, why do we cry for a good PIM app on the NIT and not use some online PIM tool itself ?
No sir, a browser based app all the time doesn't cut the mustard all the time.
So bottom line there are 2 approaches:
1. Get a good hardware with good resolution which can mimic the best desktop expereince
2.If you cant get 1 then you can try the second one... which involves individualized apps.
But i would prefer the first one any day.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
The past can be a great opportunity for lessons learned and corrective action.
OK, call me a curmudgeon, but where does this optimism arise from with regard to software development for the N900 and future Maemo devices? If it's going to be so great in the future, why wasn't it in the past?
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Originally Posted by nilchak
In relation to outlook. Well outlook has outlook web access. I would prefer that rather than the default application. The primary reason being that i can access it from any where.
Sachin, for a moment lets forget Maemo, lets forget a mobile device and lets just think in general terms of a PC (whic the NIT is).
On your PC, do you think of all or most of your apps as bookmarks ?
Is Word / excel a bookmark (true Good docs is a bookmar, but not all are browser apps).
Is a locally stored GNumeric spreadsheet with all my contacts details a bookmark to a browser app ?
Is my Outlook app with my contacts and calendar info a bookmark ?
Not to mention more intensive desktop apps (photo editing, media handling etc - I am not even going there)
Why do we have an desktop FTP app, and not use a browser based FTP app itself ? Let me tell you - security.
Calling an app as a bookmark to a browser based application is way too simplistic. Then Nokia (or any manufacturer) would have been better served to cut down on all the intericacies and internal API to their OS to only provide a bare bones device with a very good browser, full stop.
Do you see any such mobile device on the market - a dedicated browser pad as yet ? Unless it purports to be such a dedicated device only (liek the Crunchpad) ?
I do agree that cpu intensive and bandwidth tasks need individual apps. Other wise i like google's approach of the cloud.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by Texrat
True, but why is Year 5 going to be so different from Year 4, which had Years 1, 2, and 3 to learn from?
The past can be a great opportunity for lessons learned and corrective action.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by zerojay
No its not Apple admitting that the browser is inadequate, its the users buying these apps who admit that using an app is sometimes simpler than from the browser.
I gotta disagree. The fact that there are so many of those iPhone apps providing their own interface for those services is basically Apple admiting that their browser is far from ideal on those sites.
And are you trying to negate the need for apps by pointing to iPhone which
itself is known for apps (forget the ifarts and all such).
As I said a good browser is fine, but that does nto mean a good app is not needed.
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2009-08-10
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Some of the reasons:
1. UI (Formatting, layout, input method, etc)
2. Offline capability
3. Integration with other apps\sites
4. Performance (faster, less network traffic)
5. May be used by the content provider as a controlled gate to extend their offerings
So, uh, no, they're not 'just bookmarks'.
1. UI (Formatting, layout, input method, etc)
2. Offline capability
3. Integration with other apps\sites
4. Performance (faster, less network traffic)
5. May be used by the content provider as a controlled gate to extend their offerings
So, uh, no, they're not 'just bookmarks'.
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There are limitations to the iphone that can prove grating after a year of use (its my primary phone). No bluetooth keyboard support and definitely not built in anyhow. Low screen res that makes it hard to view things like PDFs or remote desktop. Lack of a direct linux port (alhough certain teams are working on it).
What the iphone does well, sorry fantastically, is ready and out of the box. The web browser is great, it opens up PDFs without much of a fuss and has a famous media player. Basically a great UI experience for what the average consumer will need most of the time. All of these things bar multitouch can be replicated in other devices if you configure them.
While the iphone is getting better with apps, I feel alot of them (for me anyway) are just internet shortcuts, games, subpar prouctivity apps or gimmicks. There little that can not be replicated or bettered and in no way a UMPC experience like my OQO/Everun or HTC Advantage or what I expect the N900 could provide.
Additionally a 5mpx Carl Ziess would make it an ideal blogging tool as well. I could have survived with the dimensions of the N810, at least 4 mobile cell devices are going to be released with >4 inch screens in the next 5 months so it is definitely becoming more acceptable.
Last edited by imperiallight; 2009-08-10 at 20:43.
What the iphone does well, sorry fantastically, is ready and out of the box. The web browser is great, it opens up PDFs without much of a fuss and has a famous media player. Basically a great UI experience for what the average consumer will need most of the time. All of these things bar multitouch can be replicated in other devices if you configure them.
While the iphone is getting better with apps, I feel alot of them (for me anyway) are just internet shortcuts, games, subpar prouctivity apps or gimmicks. There little that can not be replicated or bettered and in no way a UMPC experience like my OQO/Everun or HTC Advantage or what I expect the N900 could provide.
Additionally a 5mpx Carl Ziess would make it an ideal blogging tool as well. I could have survived with the dimensions of the N810, at least 4 mobile cell devices are going to be released with >4 inch screens in the next 5 months so it is definitely becoming more acceptable.
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
Nokia moves slowly.
True, but why is Year 5 going to be so different from Year 4, which had Years 1, 2, and 3 to learn from?
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2009-08-10
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Originally Posted by nilchak
Is that an itch ? Well then scratch it !
I WANT a desktop app for
b) Google Maps - I want an instant on Desktop app and not have to open a browser, point ot he Google maps URL put in my
e) I want integration between severaal desktop apps where possible and where they can talk to each other (and not standalone web apps which CAN'T talk to each other).
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On your PC, do you think of all or most of your apps as bookmarks ?
Is Word / excel a bookmark (true Good docs is a bookmar, but not all are browser apps).
Is a locally stored GNumeric spreadsheet with all my contacts details a bookmark to a browser app ?
Is my Outlook app with my contacts and calendar info a bookmark ?
Not to mention more intensive desktop apps (photo editing, media handling etc - I am not even going there)
Why do we have an desktop FTP app, and not use a browser based FTP app itself ? Let me tell you - security.
Calling an app as a bookmark to a browser based application is way too simplistic. Then Nokia (or any manufacturer) would have been better served to cut down on all the intericacies and internal API to their OS to only provide a bare bones device with a very good browser, full stop.
Do you see any such mobile device on the market - a dedicated browser pad as yet ? Unless it purports to be such a dedicated device only (liek the Crunchpad) ?